Iw/qhs

[German/Irish_67_9]

So a video of Quincy High's fans has surfaced on youtube where some fans of QHS were kicked out and taped leaving. Anyone at this game and know whole story? I keep hearing about how IW instigated but i'd really like to know the truth about this story.

[TDogg11]

So a video of Quincy High's fans has surfaced on youtube where some fans of QHS were kicked out and taped leaving. Anyone at this game and know whole story? I keep hearing about how IW instigated but i'd really like to know the truth about this story.

I do not know the whole story but from what I've heard from pretty reliable sources is that at one point the referees stopped the game and told the coaches they were going to stop the game if these "fans" were not removed. Obviously I am going on hear-say and was not at the game so I do not know the entire story. It is on you tube if you want to check it out. The video contains several expletives so make sure there are no young ears around while watching it.

Dogg :D

[Titanfan89]

What were the people doing to get kicked out and making the refs so mad? I haven't watched the video.

[fanofthegame]

I would suggest watching the video. It's incredible what some people consider to be appropriate actions at a high school event.

[German/Irish_67_9]

WOW! you were right about the offensive language. That was WAY over the top. But... as disrespectful and innapropriate as that was.. what caused that reaction. Theres always a cause..

It seemed to me like he was worried about racial issues.. if so.. thats a whole new ballpark.. but the fact that they kept going after they knew they were on film is outstepping your boundaries..

[PhotoGuy]

I honestly don't really know what to say about it. On the one hand, that kind of language is inappropriate in schools, and anybody using it SHOULD be asked to leave. On the other hand, like G/Irish I wonder what the first part of the story is.

I get the feeling we are only seeing one side of the story, and that leaves me uneasy about the whole deal.

Thanks for not putting the direct link to it here. Youtube has a good search engine, so it is easy to find there... we are a family-friendly forum (although, obviously, it is a perfectly appropriate subject to talk about and presented properly here).

Thankfully, these kinds of ugly incidents are few and far between.

[German/Irish_67_9]

Agreed..

But i can't agree more about the one sided effect were seeing with this. I just wondered if anyone had heard or was at the game or knew anything about this. I've just heard it brought up a few times here in Qtown this week.

[TDogg11]

Like your annonymous Zebra said in this weeks Lucky 7 Photoguy, the refs are usually pretty thick skinned when it comes to most things. So for them to stop the contest to the let IW's administration know it has to stop or they were just going to stop the game it had to be pretty over the top. Like I said in my earlier post I did not attend the game and am going off some hear-say from some folks that did.

Dogg :D

[Angle]

I spoke with a person close to the subject today. He informed me that an assistant coach (he said devoe's husband) was very loud and boisterous and that referees are told not to take any **** from assistants (my source is a referee though not the one calling that game). He told me that after the assistant coach was loud and over the top, that the referee near by told head coach DeVoe to keep her assistant on a leash, implying that he wanted coach devoe to keep her assistant quieter of course. However, he took that as a racial slur and that was when it apparently got out of control, especially with those fans that you see in the video. I cannot verify this because I was not there, but that is what I was told via a typically very reliable personal source and I thought I would pass it along.

[German/Irish_67_9]

I too have a close source who actually spoke today with the lady from the video and (i'm not going to get into too many direct details on here for reasons) this lady said the air was pretty thick in Carthage that night as soon as QHS showed up. Nothing suprising to me being a QND fan who's visited that gym many times in recent years. But she also told that the man holding the camera was actually Carthage's principle. Now if thats the case.. putting two and two together.. if thats his camera or the schools than HE himself put in on youtube. A lil' fishy to me. Just speculating.. not to mention a little rude and a little trashy like the people in the video were acting. Also.. i heard that the cops never actually showed up.

As for what the ref said why didn't he be a man and take the action to ask the principle or the fans themselves to leave instead of making Sandy DeVoe (the head coach) ask her own fans to leave. I don't like that. The ref is the authoritive figure.. use the power. Also.. I heard of a few comments being made to some players from QHS in warm-ups.

This is just a case of he says/she says anymore and its too bad that this has happened.
But i'm more worried about how QND's boys game is going to go up in Carthage now..

[slapdmofo]

You guys keep talking about this topic that is getting blown WAY out of proportion...YOUTUBE...REALLY!?...but I just wanted to clarify that the person holding the camera is NOT the high school prinicipal. So lets stop that right now. Pretty sure IW really doesn't want it on youtube. but you can't really control some dingaling who thinks the world should see that.

If this was five years ago this topic would be dead already but thanks to Facebook/Youtube we can relive it whenever we want too.

Over zealous fans sometimes need to get shown the door and sometimes overzealous fans continue to embarrass themselves when they exit the building...usually this is not seen by many people but thanks to it being posted on youtube anyone can see.

Even if your son/daughters aren't getting calls it doesn't give parents the right to berate officials and to charge the floor when things aren't going how you like it.

This has more to do with the officials assigned to officiate this game than it does IW. If the offiicials had any stones or were worth a darn they would have controlled that situation without the administration ever having to get involved.

[guest07]

You guys keep talking about this topic that is getting blown WAY out of proportion...YOUTUBE...REALLY!?...but I just wanted to clarify that the person holding the camera is NOT the high school prinicipal. So lets stop that right now. Pretty sure IW really doesn't want it on youtube. but you can't really control some dingaling who thinks the world should see that.

If this was five years ago this topic would be dead already but thanks to Facebook/Youtube we can relive it whenever we want too.

Over zealous fans sometimes need to get shown the door and sometimes overzealous fans continue to embarrass themselves when they exit the building...usually this is not seen by many people but thanks to it being posted on youtube anyone can see.

Even if your son/daughters aren't getting calls it doesn't give parents the right to berate officials and to charge the floor when things aren't going how you like it.

This has more to do with the officials assigned to officiate this game than it does IW. If the offiicials had any stones or were worth a darn they would have controlled that situation without the administration ever having to get involved.


Officials cannot and should not try to control fan behavior. That is up to the administration. I'm not sure what your point is.

[slapdmofo]

Officials cannot and should not try to control fan behavior. That is up to the administration. I'm not sure what your point is.

My points were that the principal wasn't holding camera. Then that people are making this out to be a big deal even though it isn't. And that if it wasn't for youtube/facebook no one would even be talking about it. And that the refs were bad and couldn't control the game therefore fans got mad...not that hard. Didn't think it was that tough...where are you from?

Seriously though...the refs do have the authority to control the fans. And should use that authority to control them. Admin should help in that (and did in the IW/QHS game). Here is an example...

fan becomes unruly...ref stops game...warns fan...tells ADMIN he warned fan...tells coach from the team the fan is for that if there is anymore trouble with that fan he will be asked to leave and if he doesn't leave the ref will call the game a forfeit and award game to the other team...all of this is well within the authority of the ref.

[guest07]

My points were that the principal wasn't holding camera. Then that people are making this out to be a big deal even though it isn't. And that if it wasn't for youtube/facebook no one would even be talking about it. And that the refs were bad and couldn't control the game therefore fans got mad...not that hard. Didn't think it was that tough...where are you from?

Seriously though...the refs do have the authority to control the fans. And should use that authority to control them. Admin should help in that (and did in the IW/QHS game). Here is an example...

fan becomes unruly...ref stops game...warns fan...tells ADMIN he warned fan...tells coach from the team the fan is for that if there is anymore trouble with that fan he will be asked to leave and if he doesn't leave the ref will call the game a forfeit and award game to the other team...all of this is well within the authority of the ref.


Who is making it out to be a big deal? We're simply talking about it on a message board. We discuss a lot of things here. You seem awfully defensive. This is the 21st century.......Youtube and Facebook are with us to stay. My advice is that ifyou don't want to end up there, then behave yourself.

People disagree with officials all the time. Most of them don't get beligerent, thankfully. This case happens to be an exception, unfortunately.

[slapdmofo]

Who is making it out to be a big deal? We're simply talking about it on a message board. We discuss a lot of things here. You seem awfully defensive. This is the 21st century.......Youtube and Facebook are with us to stay. My advice is that ifyou don't want to end up there, then behave yourself.

People disagree with officials all the time. Most of them don't get beligerent, thankfully. This case happens to be an exception, unfortunately.

not defensive just giving my opinion...just going along with the discussion...same as you.

[German/Irish_67_9]

fair enough mofo..
but as for all of the hubla about youtube and such.. why does that even matter.. its there and it happened and now people know it.. i'm still hearing a few people bring it up in qtown.. so OBVIOUSLY something bigger happened up there.. We've still only heard one side of this story.. i wish a lovely Carthage/IW fan who saw this (b/c one of you had to) would get on here and give us the truth of the matter..

[Titanfan89]

I ask one thing, what is a coach going to do to control an unruly fan? You suggest the ref tlel the fan it is enough, tell the administration he was warned and tell the coach that if the person isn't kicked out the game will be forfeited. What control does a coach have to kick out a fan or do anything to them? It is really an administration issue, coach should have nothing to do with it.

[slapdmofo]

I ask one thing, what is a coach going to do to control an unruly fan? You suggest the ref tlel the fan it is enough, tell the administration he was warned and tell the coach that if the person isn't kicked out the game will be forfeited. What control does a coach have to kick out a fan or do anything to them? It is really an administration issue, coach should have nothing to do with it.

not expecting the coach to do anything about...the ref just needs to let the coach know...and let them know loud enough so the fan hears him/her.

whether or not the ref actually follows through with his threat is up to him/her...doubt they really would...but it might get the unruly fan to shut their trap and make that refs life a little easier for the night.

And yes the Admin needs to get involved at that point also

Just as they did at the IW/QHS game.

Bottom line...a fan/parent does not have the right to act the way those fans from Quincy did the other night.

[radiowaves]

Quickly a point of clarification. Telling a fan you will forfeit the game if they do not leave is a great bluff, I used it a few times at baseball games where you are lucky to ever have an adm. present. But actually doing it, that is crazy. Why should teams be penalized for a stupid fan. And besides, what if somenone planned it out and really was a fan of the other team and pretends to be unruly for you team, gets you a loss y continuing. Call the police have them arrested and then put into action a ban on them being admitted to any games you play in. Not the coach, not the official, but the principal and the authorities. You might have someone show up with a weapon or such. Get rid of them before it gets worse. QHS should ban these folks. There is no place for them.