2009 Beardstown Lady Tiger Classic (Girls)

[Titanfan89]

I know the seeds and schedule have been released.

I heard tonight that West Hancock got the 5th seed and will face 11th seeded Liberty/Payson in the first round. Either this tournament is absolutely stacked this year or West Hancock got the shaft on seeding.

Does anyone have the seeds and schedule?

[Titanfan89]

I still don't know what the seeds are completely but it looks like Canton, West Central, Piasa Southwestern, and Havana got the top 4 seeds. Here is what the schedule looks like.

December 26:
Game 1 (Play-In Game): Griggsville Perrry vs. Mendon Unity (10:00 a.m. - middle school)
Game 2 (Play-In Game): Macomb vs. Rushville (10:30 a.m. - high school)
Game 3 (Play-In Game): Beardstown vs. Triopia (11:30 a.m. - middle school)
Game 4 (Play-In Game): Farmington vs. Brown County (12:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 5: West Hancock vs. Liberty (1:00 p.m. - middle school)
Game 6: Pleasant Plains vs. Lewistown (1:30 p.m. - high school)
Game 7: Pittsfield vs. Illini Bluffs (2:30 p.m. - high school)
Game 8: Jacksonville Routt vs. Illini West (3:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 9: Canton vs. Game 1 winner (5:30 p.m. - middle school)
Game 10: West Central vs. Game 2 winner (6:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 11: Piasa Southwestern vs. Game 3 winner (6:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 12: Havana vs. Game 4 winner (7:30 p.m. - high school)

December 28:
Game 13: Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 3 (10:00 a.m. - high school)
Game 14: Loser Game 2 vs. Loser Game 4 (10:30 a.m. - middle school)
Game 15: Loser Game 9 vs. Loser Game 5 (11:30 a.m. - high school)
Game 16: Loser Game 7 vs. Loser Game 11 (12:00 p.m. - middle school)
Game 17: Loser Game 10 vs. Loser Game 6 (1:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 18: Loser Game 8 vs. Loser Game 12 (1:30 p.m. - middle school)
Game 19: Winner Game 9 vs. Winner Game 5 (2:30 p.m. - high school)
Game 20: Winner Game 10 vs. Winner Game 6 (4:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 21: Winner Game 7 vs. Winner Game 11 (6:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 22: Winner Game 8 vs. Winner Game 12 (7:30 p.m. - high school)

December 29:
Game 23: Loser Game 13 vs. Loser Game 14 (2:00 p.m. - unknown)
Game 24: Winner Game 13 vs. Winner Game 14 (10:30 a.m. - high school)
Game 25: Loser Game 15 vs. Loser Game 16 (11:30 a.m. - unknown)
Game 26: Loser Game 17 vs. Loser Game 18 (12:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 27: Loser Game 19 vs. Loser Game 21 (1:00 p.m. - middle school)
Game 28: Loser Game 20 vs. Loser Game 22 (1:20 p.m. - high school)
Game 29: Winner Game 15 vs. Winner Game 15 (3:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 30: Winner Game 17 vs. Wiinner Game 18 (4:30 p.m. - high school)
Game 31: Winner Game 19 vs. Winner Game 21 (6:00 p.m. - high school)
Game 32: Winner Game 20 vs. Winner Game 22 (7:30 p.m. - high school)

December 30:
Game 33: Winner Game 25 vs. Winner Game 26 (1:00 p.m. - high school) - Consolation Losers Bracket Winner
Game 34: Winner Game 29 vs. Winner Game 30 (4:00 p.m. - high school) - Consolation Bracket Winner
Game 35: Winner Game 27 vs. Winner Game 28 (2:30 p.m. - high school) - 5th Place Game
Game 36: Loser Game 31 vs. Loser Game 32 (6:00 p.m. - high school) - 3rd Place Game
Game 37: Winner Game 31 vs. Winner Game 32 (7:30 p.m. - high school) - Championship Game

[Titanfan89]

I saw on a different site where the unofficial top 8 seeds are:

1. Havana
2. Piasa Southwestern
3. Canton
4. West Central
5. Pleasant Plains
6. West Hancock
7. Pittsfield
8. Illini West

Still think West Central is a couple of spots to high, don't know much about Pleasant Plains.

[Titanfan89]

Pleasant Plains is 6-3, how did they get placed ahead of West Hancock? I think the Titans got shafted by some coaches in this tourney.

[bballjunkie1]

West Hancock was not represented there. They were scouting at the Unity tourny and did not send someone over. That is a good way to get dropped a few spots. IW is the one who got shafted, yeah their record is not great, but they have played a tough schedule. My money is on IW taking it all.

[Titanfan89]

That should not be a reason to get dropped a couple of seeds. What do the coaches need to do, a dog and pony show to get a good seed? The schedule they play and the results to that date should speak enough for everyone. You shouldn't have to go politicking to other coaches. What a load of bs. And you would think that a state championship and state runner up the past couple of years would have given them some credibility. I guess not.

I highly doubt IW will win this tournament. My money is on Havana.

[allstarwannabe]

If you miss some tournament seed meetings you are seeded last no matter what. If you don't like where you got seeded you should have sent someone. Saying that, I sure wouldn't want to play WH. Their first round team better watch out or they may put up a 100 on them.

[Titanfan89]

If you miss some tournament seed meetings you are seeded last no matter what. If you don't like where you got seeded you should have sent someone. Saying that, I sure wouldn't want to play WH. Their first round team better watch out or they may put up a 100 on them.

But why is a seeding meeting so important? To get together and talk? The West Hancock coaches decided to go do some advanced scouting of teams they will play instead of attending this seeding meeting. If the other coaches were smart, they probably would should have been doing the same thing. The teams, schedules, and records should speak for themselves. Again, why do coaches need to politic for seeds? The entire seeding process is screwed up if you need to show up for an irrelevant meeting.

[PhotoGuy]

Again, why do coaches need to politic for seeds?

I have sat in on several of these, as well as several All-Conference meetings as an observer (back in the day when they used to allow it around here) and let me assure you that some coaches LIVE to politic with their peers. They really, really get into this stuff.

The media is no better. Not so much any more, but in past years the All-District meetings would last from 6:00 p.m. until all hours of the morning, with three or four blow-hards keeping at it until everybody else was too tired to care.

The last All-District meeting I attended (for football earlier this year) only lasted an hour and a half, due to pre-meeting organization... all the stats were in front of everybody, and it just came down to "is this kid and all-district kid, or not".

I think you are exactly right, Titan... it is totally bogus to penalize a team if their coach was unavailable to attend.

[bballjunkie1]

But why is a seeding meeting so important? To get together and talk? The West Hancock coaches decided to go do some advanced scouting of teams they will play instead of attending this seeding meeting. If the other coaches were smart, they probably would should have been doing the same thing. The teams, schedules, and records should speak for themselves. Again, why do coaches need to politic for seeds? The entire seeding process is screwed up if you need to show up for an irrelevant meeting.

I am in no way saying that they should of been seeded 6th because they did not show up. Where would you of seeded them? How about Pfield being below WC when they just beat them. You cant really go off of last years success. Not for a tourny that is played midseason. You can do that for the early season tournys. Who has WH played this year? When they had the seed meeting. The one good team they played, beat them. The rest of the teams they have played were not great teams, to no fault of WH, but that is the reality. Piasa deserves to be a top seed, Havana, and canton deserve to be the top 3 seeds. I do think you can argue that WH should of been 4, but if I am WH I would want to be in the opposite bracket of Havana. If they are a 4 seed they would be with Havana, dropping to 6 that should put them opposite. Why are you so upset about the seeding? Are you just upset that no one bowed down to WH? I dont really understand why you are so outraged by this. As for showing up to the meeting, all you have to do is send someone. Where was the AD? I understand the coach and assistant going to scout but you should send someone to represent your school.

[Titanfan89]

I am in no way saying that they should of been seeded 6th because they did not show up. Where would you of seeded them? How about Pfield being below WC when they just beat them. You cant really go off of last years success. Not for a tourny that is played midseason. You can do that for the early season tournys. Who has WH played this year? When they had the seed meeting. The one good team they played, beat them. The rest of the teams they have played were not great teams, to no fault of WH, but that is the reality. Piasa deserves to be a top seed, Havana, and canton deserve to be the top 3 seeds. I do think you can argue that WH should of been 4, but if I am WH I would want to be in the opposite bracket of Havana. If they are a 4 seed they would be with Havana, dropping to 6 that should put them opposite. Why are you so upset about the seeding? Are you just upset that no one bowed down to WH? I dont really understand why you are so outraged by this. As for showing up to the meeting, all you have to do is send someone. Where was the AD? I understand the coach and assistant going to scout but you should send someone to represent your school.

Do I expect people to bow down to WH, no. Do I think WH deserves a little respect, yes. I have no qualms about Canton or Havana getting the top couple of slots based upon body of work and quality of opponents. I don't know much about Piasa this year but WH did beat them last year and I'm pretty sure they have a lot of the same coming back (and I know it was last year, so don't jump me about it, I don't know who they have played this year). Pleasant Plains has 2 or 3 losses already. WC can barely beat a CSE team and WH destroys the same team this year by 35. I would have no problems for WH being on the same side as Havana as once you reach the semis (if you are lucky enough), you will have to play a good quality opponent anyway.

If you are seeded as a top 4 team, your path to the semi-finals is a little easier, though you will face a decent opponent or two before you get there. But, you have to play the games ahead of you, so it is what it is.

[Titanfan89]

And in regards to the seeding meeting, why the need to politic? Let the teams, records, and schedules speak for themselves. I heard that some of the coaches in the tournament seeded WH as low as 13. Come on, the 13th best team in this field. Give me a break.

[allstarwannabe]

What happens when a team's best player is hurt and loses to a poor team. Without the coaches meeting and politicing their seed could be hurt by this. Most coaches want to meet in person at these meeting and yes they do punish those who do not have a good excuse for not sending 1 person to the meeting. If WH is upset by this they should have sent someone. They also have motivation now to go out and thump some people.

[Titanfan89]

What happens when a team's best player is hurt and loses to a poor team. Without the coaches meeting and politicing their seed could be hurt by this. Most coaches want to meet in person at these meeting and yes they do punish those who do not have a good excuse for not sending 1 person to the meeting. If WH is upset by this they should have sent someone. They also have motivation now to go out and thump some people.

Your missing my point. Why the need to send someone? What do you want them to tell you? Yes, we have a 1 loss team that is pretty good, yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. Absolutely pointless. Why do coaches need to meet and do this? I am sure the coaches would know a lot about the teams in the tournament.

[bballjunkie1]

Your missing my point. Why the need to send someone? What do you want them to tell you? Yes, we have a 1 loss team that is pretty good, yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. Absolutely pointless. Why do coaches need to meet and do this? I am sure the coaches would know a lot about the teams in the tournament.


A tournament like Unitys, yes you dont have to have a meeting for the seeds. There are 8 teams in that tournament. Beardstown has 20 teams, that stretch from Macomb, to Springfield down to Alton area. There for not every team knows much about the other or the level of competition. West Hancock is not going to know squat about the teams Piasa plays or vice versa. As to why do schools need to have someone there for the seed meeting, because Beardstown asks for you to be there. It is out of respect to all schools there. How would you like to voting to be done? No meeting at all and Beardstown gets to pick the seeds how they want? If you dont like how they do it please tell me how you would host a tourny. If you and the almighty WH dont like it and what seed you got start your own tourny. Quit whinning about the seed you got and deal with it. Use it as motivation. Would I of seeded WH 5 or 13 as some must of, Heck no. I would probably of put them 4th. Is it going to cost them the tourny for being seeded lower I highly doubt it.

[Titanfan89]

A tournament like Unitys, yes you dont have to have a meeting for the seeds. There are 8 teams in that tournament. Beardstown has 20 teams, that stretch from Macomb, to Springfield down to Alton area. There for not every team knows much about the other or the level of competition. West Hancock is not going to know squat about the teams Piasa plays or vice versa. As to why do schools need to have someone there for the seed meeting, because Beardstown asks for you to be there. It is out of respect to all schools there. How would you like to voting to be done? No meeting at all and Beardstown gets to pick the seeds how they want? If you dont like how they do it please tell me how you would host a tourny. If you and the almighty WH dont like it and what seed you got start your own tourny. Quit whinning about the seed you got and deal with it. Use it as motivation. Would I of seeded WH 5 or 13 as some must of, Heck no. I would probably of put them 4th. Is it going to cost them the tourny for being seeded lower I highly doubt it.

Maybe I am trying to make this point way to simple. I'm sure the folks who have hosted this tournament at Beardstown over the past number of years are quite knowledgable about girls basketball. You have each teams resume up to the seeding point. You can see who has played who, who has beat who, who has played a higher level of competition, etc. Why can't you seed the tournament based upon that? Why do you need coaches to politic to each other about their teams, a complete waste of time. Look at the Macomb holiday tournament on the boys side. They have a seeding committee that does this (although they only seed the top 4 teams, and yes, sometimes it is questionable how they do it, but in general, a decent system). If the other teams at Beardstown don't know enough about the West Hancock girls basketball program by now, there is no hope. The girls will be motivated and just have to prove the doubters wrong again I guess.

[Titanfan89]

That first round game between WH and Liberty/Payson is set up to be another dousy, continuing from last year. I saw where LP beat Pittsfield by around 10 last night, handing the Lady Saukees only their second defeat I think. Should be a heck of a game.

[bballjunkie1]

Maybe I am trying to make this point way to simple. I'm sure the folks who have hosted this tournament at Beardstown over the past number of years are quite knowledgable about girls basketball. You have each teams resume up to the seeding point. You can see who has played who, who has beat who, who has played a higher level of competition, etc. Why can't you seed the tournament based upon that? Why do you need coaches to politic to each other about their teams, a complete waste of time. Look at the Macomb holiday tournament on the boys side. They have a seeding committee that does this (although they only seed the top 4 teams, and yes, sometimes it is questionable how they do it, but in general, a decent system). If the other teams at Beardstown don't know enough about the West Hancock girls basketball program by now, there is no hope. The girls will be motivated and just have to prove the doubters wrong again I guess.

I personally like that Macomb has a committee and maybe that is the best way to go. But I will tell you that there are politics involved with that as well. Believe me, there are coachs that call and try to get their team a seed. Back to Beardstown, if you have a committee that does the seeding that would be great, but the committee would have to be of people from all regions represented in the the tourny. You cant just have someone from Beardstown making the call on who gets what seed. As for showing up and "politicing", I dont think there is any question WH has at least a top 3 girls program in our area for the last 3 years. Probably the best program. But, this year when they are not quite as dominant as the past 2 years it is easier to lump them in with the top 7 or 8 teams. I will say that if their Coach was there, they probably would of been the 4 seed. That is where they should be. Not because he would bully or politic his way to it, but because people would get to hear what he has to say about his own team in person. AS for the matchup, I think WH will handle LP by about 10. I have watched LP play this year and Pfield, and quite frankly I have no idea how LP beat them. Hold Marla W. down you have a chance.

[Titanfan89]

I see your point but why can't the people just look at the record of WH at the seeding meeting? Yes, they may have lost a few players but they had one loss on the road to Havana by around 10 points (Havana is better this year than I think they were last year, can't wait to see them play Brimfield again). What really irks me is that if you looked at the schedules and results, you will see that West Central only beat CSE by I think 2 and that might have been at West Central. West Hancock destroyed CSE on a neutral floor by 35. Both teams had one loss I believe going into the seeding process. I think the WH, CSE game may have been a day or two before the meeting, I don't know when the meeting was. And as for coaches who put WH as low as 13, what the heck are you smoking. I heard that the Triopia coach did this. Is this guy really not that knowledgable about basketball or what?

[bballjunkie1]

I see your point but why can't the people just look at the record of WH at the seeding meeting? Yes, they may have lost a few players but they had one loss on the road to Havana by around 10 points (Havana is better this year than I think they were last year, can't wait to see them play Brimfield again). What really irks me is that if you looked at the schedules and results, you will see that West Central only beat CSE by I think 2 and that might have been at West Central. West Hancock destroyed CSE on a neutral floor by 35. Both teams had one loss I believe going into the seeding process. I think the WH, CSE game may have been a day or two before the meeting, I don't know when the meeting was. And as for coaches who put WH as low as 13, what the heck are you smoking. I heard that the Triopia coach did this. Is this guy really not that knowledgable about basketball or what?

I am sure WHs coach knows who seeded him 12 and 13. And I will want to be at the game if they play each other. I will take WH by about 50 if it was Triopia, maybe even more. I think it is absurd that you would seed them that low. I do agree that WH should be above WC at this time. I would of put WH 4, Pfield 5 and WC 6 at the time of the seed meeting.

[Titanfan89]

After looking at what Piasa has done now, I think I wouldn't put WH above 4 either since I think Havana, Canton, and Piasa are all undefeated I think.

[Titanfan89]

Canton suffered their first defeat of the season I believe 62-34 at home to Limestone as they were outrebounded 35-17.

[catmando]

I am in no way saying that they should of been seeded 6th because they did not show up. Where would you of seeded them? How about Pfield being below WC when they just beat them. You cant really go off of last years success. Not for a tourny that is played midseason. You can do that for the early season tournys. Who has WH played this year? When they had the seed meeting. The one good team they played, beat them. The rest of the teams they have played were not great teams, to no fault of WH, but that is the reality. Piasa deserves to be a top seed, Havana, and canton deserve to be the top 3 seeds. I do think you can argue that WH should of been 4, but if I am WH I would want to be in the opposite bracket of Havana. If they are a 4 seed they would be with Havana, dropping to 6 that should put them opposite. Why are you so upset about the seeding? Are you just upset that no one bowed down to WH? I dont really understand why you are so outraged by this. As for showing up to the meeting, all you have to do is send someone. Where was the AD? I understand the coach and assistant going to scout but you should send someone to represent your school.

I'm not liking your comment about "no one bowed down to WH" but other than that I pretty much agree with your post. What is the saying? To BE the best you have to BEAT the best? Who cares what seed they got--win all your games and prove them wrong.

[Titanfan89]

I'm not liking your comment about "no one bowed down to WH" but other than that I pretty much agree with your post. What is the saying? To BE the best you have to BEAT the best? Who cares what seed they got--win all your games and prove them wrong.

All I was getting at is what else does WH have to do to earn some respect in this area after the past two years. That is all I ask.

[Titanfan89]

Liberty/Payson is on a roll right now and just pulled off a huge upset against Marion County, MO last night. Looks like another Liberty/Payson, West Hancock slobberknocker the first day of this tournament.

[PhotoGuy]

I saw this and shook my head... Knox had Liberty/Payson beat and missed a couple free throws at the end to lose by a point... and last night Knox was so beaten up by this RIDICULOUS schedule that they lose to WH's JV.

Not taking anything away from Liberty/Payson, it is just painful to watch a team of kids get ground down by their schedule right before your eyes.

Beating Marion County was BIG for Liberty/Payson, because Marion County is one of the top small team girls programs in the entire state of Missouri. Congrats to them.

[Titanfan89]

Marion County is good but it seems like they don't have much luck when playing teams from Illinois. I think West Hancock has beat them the past couple of years along with some other schools.

[PhotoGuy]

Yes, they are good... but remember, one of the reasons they dominate in Missouri is they play schools close to their own size.

You gotta remember there are only 71 kids at Marion County High School, so come playoff time they play against schools with 129 students or less. I have no idea how many kids are at West Hancock, but I am guessing it is more than 71... what, about 200?

WH is a small coop in Illinois, so it is even more props to them for winning big last year against much bigger schools. This just in... that Marley Hall girl can play a bit. The folks in Hancock county have a TON to be proud of.

Put Marion County in the group playing other tiny high schools, and you can see where the trophies are coming from.

The difference between 71 and 200 students is a lot.

If you think about it, that means there are only 35 girls in the school. To have a full team, more than one third of the girls in the entire school would have to be on it.

[catmando]

Yes, they are good... but remember, one of the reasons they dominate in Missouri is they play schools close to their own size.

You gotta remember there are only 71 kids at Marion County High School, so come playoff time they play against schools with 129 students or less. I have no idea how many kids are at West Hancock, but I am guessing it is more than 71... what, about 200?

WH is a small coop in Illinois, so it is even more props to them for winning big last year against much bigger schools. This just in... that Marley Hall girl can play a bit. The folks in Hancock county have a TON to be proud of.

Put Marion County in the group playing other tiny high schools, and you can see where the trophies are coming from.

The difference between 71 and 200 students is a lot.

If you think about it, that means there are only 35 girls in the school. To have a full team, more than one third of the girls in the entire school would have to be on it.

Good point about school size photo guy. Dang, I forgot to look for you!

Does anyone know the website for the radio station that broadcasts so many of the games in Beardstown? I have to look it up every year. They also stream their broadcasts which is why I was wanting to find out. Thanks in advance!

[catmando]

I just remembered it, after I posted... http://www.lbsportsproductions.com/schedule.shtml

Here's a list of all the games that he will be broadcasting...darn, no WH vs Liberty first round. Oh, well!

12/26/09 HSGBB Macomb vs Rushville @ Beardstown 10:30 am
12/26/09 HSGBB Farmington vs Brown Co. @ Beardstown 12:00 pm
12/26/09 HSGBB Pl Plains vs Lewistown @ Beardstown 1:30 pm
12/26/09 HSGBB Routt Catholic vs Illini West @ Beardstown 3:00 pm
12/26/09 HSGBB W. Central vs Macomb/Rushville @ Beardstown 6:00 pm
12/26/09 HSGBB Havana vs Farmington/Brown Co. @ B'town 7:30 pm
12/28/09 HSGBB Loser game #1 vs Loser game #3 10:00 am
12/28/09 HSGBB Loser game #9 vs Loser game #5 11:30 am
12/28/09 HSGBB Loser game #10 vs Loser game #6 1:00 pm
12/28/09 HSGBB Winner game #9 vs Winner game #5 2:30 pm
12/28/09 HSGBB Winner game #10 vs Winner game #6 4:00 pm
12/28/09 HSGBB Winner game #7 vs Winner game #11 6:00 pm
12/28/09 HSGBB Winner game #8 vs Winner game #12 7:30 pm
12/29/09 HSGBB Winner game #13 vs Winner game #14 10:30 am
12/29/09 HSGBB Loser game #17 vs Loser game #18 12:00 pm
12/29/09 HSGBB Loser game #20 vs Loser game #22 1:30 pm
12/29/09 HSGBB Loser game #13 vs Loser game #14 3:00 pm
12/29/09 HSGBB Winner game 19 vs Winner game #21 6:00 pm
12/29/09 HSGBB Winner game #20 vs Winner game #22 7:30 pm
12/30/09 HSGBB Winner game #25 vs Winner game #26 1:00 pm
12/30/09 HSGBB Winner game #27 vs Winner game #28 2:30 pm
12/30/09 HSGBB Winner game #29 vs Winner game #30 4:00 pm
12/30/09 HSGBB Loser game #31 vs Loser game #32 6:00 pm
12/30/09 HSGBB Winner game #31 vs Winner game #32 7:30 pm

[PhotoGuy]

I got an email note from Larry at LBS Sports Productions... I contacted him and showed him this post so he could check it (and us) out. Here is what he said:

Ken,

Thank you for the information. Whoever listed the games we are covering only has half of them listed as we are carrying all 37 games, on two radio stations.

We will be on WVILFM.com which is 101.3 WVIL FM and also on WKXQFM.com which is 92.5 WKXQ. We will put WKXQ in the Middle School Gym and WVIL in the High School Gym so we won't miss any of the games. This will be our 8th year in a row of broadcasting.

[catmando]

I got an email note from Larry at LBS Sports Productions... I contacted him and showed him this post so he could check it (and us) out. Here is what he said:

Ken,

Thank you for the information. Whoever listed the games we are covering only has half of them listed as we are carrying all 37 games, on two radio stations.

We will be on WVILFM.com which is 101.3 WVIL FM and also on WKXQFM.com which is 92.5 WKXQ. We will put WKXQ in the Middle School Gym and WVIL in the High School Gym so we won't miss any of the games. This will be our 8th year in a row of broadcasting.

Nice to know...I hope they are also streaming all the games. Thanks for the info!

[catmando]

And here's the remaining schedule...

12/26/09 HSGBB G-Perry (14) vs Mendon Unity (18) @ B'town 10:00 am
12/26/09 HSGBB Beardstown (15) vs Triopia (19) @ B'town 11:30 am
12/26/09 HSGBB W. Hancock (6) vs Liberty (11) @ B'town 1:00 pm
12/26/09 HSGBB Pittsfield (7) vs Illini Bluffs (10) @ B'town 2:30 pm
12/26/09 HSGBB Canton (3) vs G-Perry/Mendon @ B'town 5:30 pm
12/26/09 HSGBB Piasa (2) vs Beardstown/Triopia @ B'town 7:00 pm
12/27/09 NFL St. Louis Rams @ Arizona Cardinals 2:05 pm
12/28/09 HSGBB Loser Game #2 vs Loser Game #4 10:30 am
12/28/09 HSGBB Loser Game #7 vs Loser Game #11 12:00 pm
12/28/09 HSGBB Loser Game #8 vs Loser Game #12 1:30 pm
12/29/09 HSGBB Loser Game #15 vs Loser Game #16 11:30 am
12/29/09 HSGBB Loser Game #19 vs Loser Game #21 1:00 pm
12/29/09 HSGBB Loser Game #13 vs Loser Game #14 2:30 pm

[oldviking]

This should be another great tourney. Thanks for the radio information PhotoGuy.

[fanofthegame]

Thrilling first quarter between WH and Liberty comes to an end tied at 2.

[fanofthegame]

14-6 WH leads Liberty at halftime. From the sounds of it, Liberty has really slowed the pace of the game. The score was tied at 2 with just under 6 minutes to go in the half when Schuster called timeout and WH went on a 10-0 run. Announcers making it sound like a very sloppy game with quite a few turnovers from both sides. He's also commented that Marley Hall has had to spend a lot of time handling the ball on the perimeter.

[fanofthegame]

27-7 WH after 3 quarters. I know WH has an outstanding defense, but it sounds like Liberty has no idea what they are doing on offense. They are 2-19 from the floor. Ouch.

[oldviking]

Any final score on the WH vs Liberty game?

[fanofthegame]

Somethng like 47-17. That may not be exact, but its close. Marley Hall got into double figures in the 4th.

[Titanfan89]

Liberty was a pretty decent team coming into this tournament. Just pulled an upset of Marion County, MO (some people say MC is overhyped, but they are a decent small school Missouri team). I'm not sure what Liberty was trying to do to WH during the game but their normal style of play is more uptempo and penetrate and kick out for open shots or take it to the basket. Granted they don't have Lucy Cramsey this year but I don't believe that their style changed much from last year. Maybe they tried doing something different to WH today but it also sounds like the WH came up big again today.

[fanofthegame]

Liberty was a pretty decent team coming into this tournament. Just pulled an upset of Marion County, MO (some people say MC is overhyped, but they are a decent small school Missouri team). I'm not sure what Liberty was trying to do to WH during the game but their normal style of play is more uptempo and penetrate and kick out for open shots or take it to the basket. Granted they don't have Lucy Cramsey this year but I don't believe that their style changed much from last year. Maybe they tried doing something different to WH today but it also sounds like the WH came up big again today.

I wasn't there so Im just going by what the radio announcer had to say. It sounded like Liberty didn't really think they could play with WH in a normal paced game so they tried to slow it down, limit possessions and keep it close. It worked for a while as both teams really struggled through the first quarter and early part of the second quarter. From there on out though WH got going offensively and it sounded like they really frustrated liberty with their defense.

[Titanfan89]

First Round (Play-In Games)

Grigsville Perry 53
Unity (Mendon) 42
Final

Macomb 42
Rushville Industry 34
Final

Beardstown 45
Triopia 28
Final

Farmington 47
Brown County 23
Final

[Titanfan89]

Second Round Scores

West Hancock 41
Liberty Payson 17
Final

Pleasant Plains 58
Lewistown 43
Final

Illini Bluffs 57
Pittsfield 39
Final - Pittsfield was #7 seed

Illini West 68
Jacksonville Routt 65
Final-OT

Canton 72
Grigsville Perry 45
Final

West Central 44
Macomb 22
Final

Piasa SW 52
Beardstown 18
Final

Havana 53
Farmington 39
Final

[Titanfan89]

Winners Bracket Quarterfinal Matchups on Monday

West Hancock vs. Canton

West Central vs. Pleasant Plains

Illini Bluffs vs. Piasa SW

Havana vs. Illini West

[catmando]

West Hancock up on Canton, 4th quarter 43-32 with 3 minutes left in the game.

[Titanfan89]

This would be a huge win for West Hancock. Canton brings most of their team back from last year when they lost to WH in the regional final. West Hancock has had to replace most of their starting lineup. I told people WH should have been seeded higher.

[catmando]

It's better this way! Lull them to sleep.

[catmando]

Final! West Hancock 51 Canton 32.

[Titanfan89]

Big win for the Titans. Up next is most likely #2 seed Piasa SW.

[catmando]

Big win for the Titans. Up next is most likely #2 seed Piasa SW.

That would be my guess too, but that's why they play the games!

[Titanfan89]

Scores thus far on 12/28

Losers Bracket
Mendon Unity 49
Concord Triopia 32

Final

Brown County 42
Rushville-Industry 38

Final

Liberty 41
Griggsville-Perry 40

Final

Pittsfield 38
Beardstown 33

Final

Lewistown 40
Macomb 30

Final

Jacksonville Routt 57
Farmington 32

Final


Winners Bracket
West Hancock 51
Canton 32

Final - Canton #3 seed upset

[Titanfan89]

Another top 4 seed gets bounced today as Pleasant Plains defeated West Central 42-41. So far today, the #3 and #4 seeds have been upset. Piasa SW is having their hands full with Illini Bluffs at the half.

[Titanfan89]

#2 Seed Piasa SW holds off a pesky Illini Bluffs team 42-38 and moves onto the semis to face West Hancock.

[Titanfan89]

What a day of basketball as the top seeds were not safe today. Illini West takes out top seed Havana 64-48 after Havana earlier in the year went to IW and beat them by 10. 3 of the top 4 seeds lose today and dont make the semi-finals.

Semi-final matchups are:
West Hancock vs. #2 Piasa SW
Illini West vs. Pleasant Plains

[bballjunkie1]

I am liking my pick of IW to win this thing right now, but I can see the semis being two great games and a classic for a championship.

[PhotoGuy]

I am liking my pick of IW to win this thing right now, but I can see the semis being two great games and a classic for a championship.

IW has some really great talent... the question with them, as always, is can they control their turnovers...

[Titanfan89]

Scores from 12/28/09

Losers Bracket
Mendon Unity 49
Concord Triopia 32

Final

Brown County 42
Rushville-Industry 38

Final

Liberty 41
Griggsville-Perry 40

Final

Pittsfield 38
Beardstown 33

Final

Lewistown 40
Macomb 30

Final

Jacksonville Routt 57
Farmington 32

Final


Winners Bracket
West Hancock 51
Canton 32

Final - Canton #3 seed upset

Pleasant Plains 42
West Central 41

Final - West Central #4 seed upset

Piasa SW 42
Illini Bluffs 38

Final

Illini West 64
Havana 48

Final - Havana #1 seed upset

[Titanfan89]

Matchups for 12/29/09

Losers Bracket Side
Triopia vs. Rushville
Mendon Unity vs. Brown County
Grigsville Perry vs. Beardstown
Macomb vs. Farmington

5th Place Round
Canton vs. Illini Bluffs - winner advances to 5th place game
West Central vs. Havana - winner advances to 5th place game

Consolation
Liberty vs. Pittsfield - winner advances to consolation championship
Lewistown vs. Jacksonville Routt - winner advances to consolation championship

Winners Bracket
West Hancock vs. Piasa SW
Pleasant Plains vs. Illini West

[Vikingfan1]

Seems to me right now WH is sticking it to the seeding committee and playing very well. I wonder if their seed motivated them a little more. Hope to see a victory against Piasa SW tonight!

[Titanfan89]

Piasa SW defeats WH tonight 28-20 in what I think was the worst offensive game in the history of the West Hancock program. After leading 14-9 after the 1st quarter, WH extended to a 7 point lead early in the 2nd quarter going up 16-9. That is when the nightmare began. WH scored only 2 points in the 2nd quarter, 2 points in the third quarter, and 2 points in the 4th quarter. WH had no field goals after the first quarter. Piasa SW got a 5 point lead early in the 4th quarter and then just held the ball for the rest of the game. WH had over 20 turnovers and probably shot less than 15%.

The WH defense kept them in the game as they also forced over 20 turnovers but you have to score to win basketball games. I just don't know what to say about this one except that I hope that WH forgets about it quick.

[Titanfan89]

After scoring 6 points in the first quarter, Marley Hall was held scoreless the remainder of the game and only took 3 shot attempts in the second half. It is a little frustrating to not see her step up in these games where the team is struggling and she can makes some things happen.

[bballjunkie1]

After scoring 6 points in the first quarter, Marley Hall was held scoreless the remainder of the game and only took 3 shot attempts in the second half. It is a little frustrating to not see her step up in these games where the team is struggling and she can makes some things happen.

Any other scores of note yet? I can not believe that a team with Marly Hall can only score 6 points in 3 quarters. That is almost unbelievable. Now maybe the seed committee was not so far off with WH as they might of thought.

[Vikingfan1]

After scoring 6 points in the first quarter, Marley Hall was held scoreless the remainder of the game and only took 3 shot attempts in the second half. It is a little frustrating to not see her step up in these games where the team is struggling and she can makes some things happen.

Yeah Marley should have taken over the 4th quarter and willed WH to the victory. Very bad loss in a game they probably should have won easily again. I mean, the defense was there they just have to pick it up on offense.

[Vikingfan1]

Any other scores of note yet? I can not believe that a team with Marly Hall can only score 6 points in 3 quarters. That is almost unbelievable. Now maybe the seed committee was not so far off with WH as they might of thought.

They beat the #3 seed Canton by 19 points. Ya, I am sure the coaches got the seeds correct right? Fact is if WH had a bit better offense and didn't go in funks like they did tonight they would have beaten this team rather handily to.

[Titanfan89]

That has been the issue with WH the past couple of years. They have a championship caliber defense but they go into these god awful offensive droughts, even with Marley Hall. I am still shocked by what happened last night but you have to give Piasa SW some credit for them turning the ball over. I don't know if WH took bad shots or if they just didn't fall. I guess I am just glad that this type of game happened now and not in the postseason.

[Titanfan89]

Scores from 12/29/09:

Triopia 39
Rushville 30

Final - Both teams complete tournament play

Mendon Unity 47
Brown County 42

Final - Both teams complete tournament play

Grigsville Perry 46
Beardstown 26

Final

Farmington 42
Macomb 22

Final

Canton 49
Illini Bluffs 43

Final

Havana 49
West Central 39

Final

Pittsfield 51
Liberty 32

Final

Jacksonville Routt 61
Lewistown 52

Final

Piasa SW 28
West Hancock 20

Final

Illini West 58
Pleasant Plains 52

Final (OT)

[Titanfan89]

Matchups for the final day of the tournament (12/30)

Consolation 3rd Place Game
Grigsville Perry vs. Farmington

Consolation Championship
Pittsfield vs. Jacksonville Routt

5th Place Game
Canton vs. Havana

3rd Place Game
West Hancock vs. Pleasant Plains

Championship Game
Piasa SW vs. Illini West

[catmando]

I just don't know what to say about this one except that I hope that WH forgets about it quick.

This is about all that can be said. You have to score to win, you have to hit shots to score and you have to have the ball to shoot. They weren't taking bad shots, the shots weren't falling. Credit to Piasa for taking the air out of the ball and not letting WH have it. 20% shooting at best doesn't win many games.

[Titanfan89]

Thats true. When Piasa got a 5 point lead in the 4th they just played keep away. Marley Hall only takes 3 shots in the second half. I'm sorry, but she has to step it up and put the team on her shoulders when they are playing like that. Piasa switched to a diamond and 1 after the first quarter to contain her but this is not something new West Hancock hasn't seen. She needs to be more assertive in games like this and put the team on her back. She faded after the first quarter and was a big non factor. The turnovers are also an issue for this team, they cant take care of the ball right now. It is just frustrating to see what new offensive lows this team can go through.

[Titanfan89]

Pleasant Plains leads West Hancock 10-6 after the 1st quarter in the 3rd place game.

[Titanfan89]

Pleasant Plains leads West Hancock 19-16 at the half.

[Titanfan89]

Pleasant Plains leads West Hancock 28-27 after 3 quarters.

[Titanfan89]

Pleasant Plains defeats West Hancock 38 to 37. Pleasant Plains finishes in 3rd place and West Hancock finishes in 4th place.

Score was tied at 37 and WH fouled PP with 0.7 seconds left to play. PP hits 1 free throw to win the game.

[fanofthegame]

Titan, are the WH girls struggling on offense, or are they just not a very good offensive team this year? I haven't seen them, but I know they went through some offensive slumps last year and lost some key players that some fans thought would be hard to replace. Whats the deal? Do they not have any scorers besides Marley Hall or is it just a lack of execution?

[Titanfan89]

The WH girls are a lot like last years team where they will struggle on offense at times due to poor execution and cold shooting. I don't think that the role players this year are as good as the role players were last year. When teams focus on Marley Hall, you never know each night what your going to get from the rest of the team. Turnovers are killing them right now. Some of it is growing pains getting the younger players playing up to the varsity level of play. The defense will keep them in most games but you never know if they will have enough offense to win some of the harder games. WH could have easily played in the championship game and should have won last night. Marley Hall didn't even shoot 50% from the free throw line and took probably 10 attempts. If she would have hit some more they would have won. Her teammates also missed their fair share. Ken Schuster is going to have to figure out some way to get this team to score some easier baskets. They have shooters that are on and off. It is very frustrating right now to see what this team has done their past two games.

[Titanfan89]

Scores from the final day of the tournament.

Consolation 3rd Place Game
Grigsville Perry 45
Farmington 44

Final

Consolation Championship
Jacksonville Routt 43
Pittsfield 24

Final

5th Place Game
Havana 55
Canton 49

Final (OT)

3rd Place Game
Pleasant Plains 38
West Hancock 37

Final

Championship Game
Piasa SW 38
Illini West 28

Final

[Titanfan89]

All Tournament Team

Kelsey Owens, Pleasant Plains
Tiffany King, West Central
Marley Hall, West Hancock
Jackie Bunn, West Hancock
Daniell Darr, Piasa SW
Megan Smith, Piasa SW
Alex Scott, Piasa SW
Katie Lindsey, Jacksonville Routt
Carter Wear, Illini West (also named outstanding player of tournament)
Macy Brown, Havana
Marla Willard, Pittsfield
Rachel Stobaugh, Farmington

[bballjunkie1]

And after all of our hoopla about the seeds, it looks like the coaches did a good job putting WH where they did. And not such a good job at looking at strength of schedule of IW, they were my pick to win it, but Piasa controlled the game.

[Titanfan89]

The seeding still could have been better. I also heard where Canton wasn't represented at the seed meeting as well yet they got the #3 seed as well. The Havana and Piasa seeds at the top two were good, the Canton seed was ok, but bad call on West Central.

[bballjunkie1]

The seeding still could have been better. I also heard where Canton wasn't represented at the seed meeting as well yet they got the #3 seed as well. The Havana and Piasa seeds at the top two were good, the Canton seed was ok, but bad call on West Central.

I agree the WC seed was not a good one, and I thought that at the time. Seeding 20 teams is a tough thing to do. You would like to hope that your tourny is good enough to have 6-8 teams that are worthy of a top 4 seed, and I think that was the case for Beardstown this year. I know in years past it was pretty clear who the top 2-3 teams were.