300 wins

[fanofthegame]

If the QND website is correct, Coach Douglas entered this season with 285 wins. Tonight QND goes for their 15th win of the season against Jacksonville. A W would also give coach D his 300th career victory. Whether he gets it tonight or not, that milestone will no doubt be reached soon. Coach D is a real class act and one heck of a coach. I hope I will get to watch him on the QND sidelines for many more years.

[Titanfan89]

Fan, do you think Douglas would translate well to the college environment? I know it would probably take a very lucrative offer to get him but would he consider the JWCC or QU coaching jobs if they came up? He does a very good job of adjusting to the talent to comes every year for QND. Some years he has size, some years he has athleticism, but whatever he has, he adjusts his style to fit his players really well.

[fanofthegame]

Fan, do you think Douglas would translate well to the college environment? I know it would probably take a very lucrative offer to get him but would he consider the JWCC or QU coaching jobs if they came up? He does a very good job of adjusting to the talent to comes every year for QND. Some years he has size, some years he has athleticism, but whatever he has, he adjusts his style to fit his players really well.

I think he could coach college ball if he wanted to, but im not sure if he would want to or not. I think he loves working with high school kids. Another thing to consider at a college is that you don't just have to coach you have to recruit too. It is a big step up in time commitment.

[Titanfan89]

So he's just not a good schmoozer or what? Hahaha. He can sure sweet talk a ref to death.

[fanofthegame]

QND has some work to do in the second half tonight. They trail 23-20 after what was a very very sloppy first half.

[Titanfan89]

What is going on with them tonight? I worry about them scoring points at times. With that team you would think they could score some more points. Their defense is real good except for maybe post defense against bigger teams. I thought they would score more points though.

[Vikingfan1]

Congrats to coach Douglas whenever he does get that 300th win.

[Titanfan89]

I thought Douglas should have dressed his 6 man coaching staff last night to come in and play WH. They might have also stuck it to WH the way things were going.

[Titanfan89]

QND at IW next friday is that right?

[guest07]

Congrats to Coach Douglas on the 300 wins. Never met the guy, but he always seemed like a cool cat, and he's obviously one heck of a coach.

[Titanfan89]

QND sounds like they aren't playing very good tonight against Jacksonville, physically or mentally. Lots of turnovers and mental mistakes.

[fanofthegame]

31-31 at the end of 3 in Jacksonville tonight. The Bowl has been a house of horrors for QND the last few years. Sounds like a ton of unforced turnovers and missed layups tonight. And yes, I believe they do play IW next friday.

[Titanfan89]

Fan, do you like QND playing these back to back games like they do instead of playing a game during the week? I wouldn't like that especially if you have back to back tough games. It has to be awful tough to get up for back to back tough games doing this.

[fanofthegame]

Fan, do you like QND playing these back to back games like they do instead of playing a game during the week? I wouldn't like that especially if you have back to back tough games. It has to be awful tough to get up for back to back tough games doing this.

I much prefer weekend games. These kids play 3 games in 1 day in summer shootouts. I don't think it should be much of an issue unless they are poorly conditioned. Not to mention being in college I cant make the weekday games lol.

[Titanfan89]

I'm not a fan of playing the back to backs every weekend. The shootouts are a different animal in the summer and yes they are probably conditioned, but still hard to expect high school kids to be ready to play a couple of tough games back to back. I like the holiday tournaments playing a couple of games in the same day when they had the old state tournament format. However, now it is a back to back night situation now, so I could see teams doing it every now and then but not every weekend.

By the way, how is the kid who took the shot to to whohahs last night?

[Titanfan89]

The key to beating QND is holding onto the ball and playing zone against them and forcing them to beat you from outside.

[guest07]

Final from Jacksonville?

[Titanfan89]

QND lost by somewhere around 10 I think. Played completely the opposite from what they did friday night, lots of mental mistakes and turnovers and couldn't figure out Jacksonville zone. QND announcers said that the Raiders during the season shoot less than 30% from the 3 point line. They said that is the way to beat them, play zone and make them shoot.

[Titanfan89]

IW beat Farmington at IW tonight by 23.

[guest07]

QND lost by somewhere around 10 I think. Played completely the opposite from what they did friday night, lots of mental mistakes and turnovers and couldn't figure out Jacksonville zone. QND announcers said that the Raiders during the season shoot less than 30% from the 3 point line. They said that is the way to beat them, play zone and make them shoot.

Wow.

I kinda questioned their perimeter game when I saw them play in the tip off tournament early this year. But last night against WH they seemed to be dropping the 3's pretty consistently.

I think you may be onto something though. Defensively, QND is very good, but I think their offense can be slowed down if you keep them out of the lane and limit the points that they get off of turnovers.

[guest07]

IW beat Farmington at IW tonight by 23.

No surprise there. I think West Hancock beat them by 28 earlier this year.

[10&J]

By the way, how is the kid who took the shot to to whohahs last night?[/QUOTE]

He played today and is fine. But I heard that the comments on this board have been printed out and will show up at the team banquet at the end of the year.

[oldviking]

Congratulations to Coach Douglas when he gets his 300th win.

[Titanfan89]

By the way, how is the kid who took the shot to to whohahs last night?

He played today and is fine. But I heard that the comments on this board have been printed out and will show up at the team banquet at the end of the year.[/QUOTE]

I still feel sorry for the kid. I think he learned a lesson that when someone is trying to throw the ball off of you, you should probably turn the other direction.

[fanofthegame]

Wow.

I kinda questioned their perimeter game when I saw them play in the tip off tournament early this year. But last night against WH they seemed to be dropping the 3's pretty consistently.

I think you may be onto something though. Defensively, QND is very good, but I think their offense can be slowed down if you keep them out of the lane and limit the points that they get off of turnovers.

Bingo. QND's offense feeds off of the defense. They don't have a single consistent outside shooter and they aren't patient in the half court offense. Make them set up and run their sets and they look pretty pedestrian. When they do wait for a good shot, they have had trouble this year making them. 3 point shooting isn't the only thing lacking, this team has a terrible habbit for missing layups and free throws.

[Titanfan89]

QND used to have some really good shooting teams I think. In the McNeil era, that was one of the reasons they were good wasn't it? Because teams tried to shut him down but QND had the shooters to make people pay. I still think that Rakers is a good shooter, don't know about Darnell, and Greene I think can shoot the rock.

Fan, do you think playing some of these larger school teams hurts QND in the fact that they don't get to see to much of things that smaller schools will do to them, such as possibly zoning them up and making them shoot? Jacksonville played a zone but some of the biggers schools I am sure probably plan a lot of man against them. Just curious.

[Lost Soul]

Ok have seen QND look good, 10 deep and then they get smacked at J-ville. Wish I could have seen it to decide if the zone is the thing that stopped them. J-ville might be the best place to get the shaft by the refs and they do play the Springfield teams but sort of shocked to read this score in the Sunday paper. But who will play the zone good enough in the regional to beat them? Not sure anyone will zone them even if they read our wonderful insight here.

[Titanfan89]

Well someone has to try it, otherwise they are going to get the bejesus kicked out of them. I wonder if Reno is going to swallow his pride when he plays them in the regional and try the zone to slow QND down. I think that is the point of it. You have to take care of the ball, slow them down in transition, rebound, and try to force them to shoot the ball against you.

[PhotoGuy]

He played today and is fine. But I heard that the comments on this board have been printed out and will show up at the team banquet at the end of the year.

Who need enemies when you have buddies like that... I am sure that's exactly what the kid wants to hear about at the banquet :)

[guest07]

Well someone has to try it, otherwise they are going to get the bejesus kicked out of them. I wonder if Reno is going to swallow his pride when he plays them in the regional and try the zone to slow QND down. I think that is the point of it. You have to take care of the ball, slow them down in transition, rebound, and try to force them to shoot the ball against you.

There is ZERO chance that Reno plays a zone against QND or anybody else.

[fanofthegame]

QND used to have some really good shooting teams I think. In the McNeil era, that was one of the reasons they were good wasn't it? Because teams tried to shut him down but QND had the shooters to make people pay. I still think that Rakers is a good shooter, don't know about Darnell, and Greene I think can shoot the rock.

Fan, do you think playing some of these larger school teams hurts QND in the fact that they don't get to see to much of things that smaller schools will do to them, such as possibly zoning them up and making them shoot? Jacksonville played a zone but some of the biggers schools I am sure probably plan a lot of man against them. Just curious.

I don't think seeing the bigger schools hurts them at all. When you see bigger, stronger, faster kids on a consistent basis you learn to raise your game up to that level. Then once you come back and see someone of equal or lesser atheltic ability, a team that doesn't pressure you much, or whatever the case may be the game has kind of slowed down for you. Of the bigger schools QND has played they saw a zone from PND (IMO the best team they've faced all year), U-High, and Jacksonville. I think Breese Mater Dei might have played some zone also, but I'm not 100% sure.

I'm honestly not too worried about their performance in Jacksonville. For some reason over the last 2 or 3 years QND just hasn't played well in the bowl. I'm not sure what it is about the place, but that is the 3rd straight really sloppy performance there.

As far as someone in the regional playing zone, it could work, but QND pretty much manhandled U-High's zone. Unless someone sprouts 2 6'8 kids in the middle like PND threw out there I don't think it would be a good idea. Jacksonville runs the 1-2-2 regularly. If a team like WH who runs man to man exclusively were to switch for 1 game, it might very well do more harm than it does good.

I think the biggest key to beating QND is not turning it over in the backcourt. Keep them from getting easy layups in the open court and make them play half court offense consistently.

[Titanfan89]

There is ZERO chance that Reno plays a zone against QND or anybody else.

Zero chance? I think he has to figure something out, and maybe mix it up a little. It is obvious what happened friday night didn't work, but again, some of that is on the players I think not coming out ready to play. Does anyone remember the last time, if any, Reno played zone?

[guest07]

Zero chance? I think he has to figure something out, and maybe mix it up a little. It is obvious what happened friday night didn't work, but again, some of that is on the players I think not coming out ready to play. Does anyone remember the last time, if any, Reno played zone?

I don't know if he ever has.

They made some good halftime adjustments. They gave up 38 points in the first half, and only 22 in the second half.

[Titanfan89]

And QND only played their top 5 guys not even a quarter in the second half I think. QND shot worse in the second half but I don't know if it was because WH made any adjustments per say, they ran the same things they did, maybe just a little harder and with better execution.

[bballjunkie1]

Reno plays zone every game. A switching man to man. When his teams are playing great defense you can see a guy stay in the same area a whole possesion. His teams communicate as well as any team every year. My guess is that the next time around he makes some serious adjustments. Instead of zone, he might go with a man D that gives more room on the ball handler so the help guys do not have to sag as much. Look at us giving Reno some help on here. :)

[Titanfan89]

I think he will try to sag more the next time as well. When I said zone, I meant more of a traditional zone. WH got burnt in transition and got taken off the dribble at times and outrebounded. However, QND did a good job of moving and misdirection that caught WH off guard at times. When the WH defense is on, they can play with anybody and really are only hurt by outside shots and penetration if it is allowed. QND hit some shots in the first half but also did a lot off the dribble, as WH did not do that good of a job in rotation in the first half.

I think we need to be paid for this clever advice!!!

[Vikingfan1]

I don't know if he ever has.

They made some good halftime adjustments. They gave up 38 points in the first half, and only 22 in the second half.

The only time that I remember Reno going zone was in the 2006 regional final against Farmington when Farmington had Watznaur and Goedeke (6'6 and 6'4) down low but Farmington had no shooters at all. Nauvoo-Colusa sat in a zone the entire game and made Farmington beat them from the outside, limiting the twin towers from doing any damage.

[guest07]

Reno plays zone every game. A switching man to man. When his teams are playing great defense you can see a guy stay in the same area a whole possesion. His teams communicate as well as any team every year. My guess is that the next time around he makes some serious adjustments. Instead of zone, he might go with a man D that gives more room on the ball handler so the help guys do not have to sag as much. Look at us giving Reno some help on here. :)

Switching man to man is not a zone, in my opinion.

[Titanfan89]

I would agree about the switching man not being a zone because the players do move and have to be followed but for the most part, if you are on one half of the floor in it you will most likely stay there unless they clear out for someone.

[guest07]

And QND only played their top 5 guys not even a quarter in the second half I think. QND shot worse in the second half but I don't know if it was because WH made any adjustments per say, they ran the same things they did, maybe just a little harder and with better execution.

QND shot worse in the second half because they weren't getting layups every time down the court. WH made some adjustments (some of the "sagging" that has been discussed here), and did a better job of forcing the perimeter shots. From what I saw, it didn't matter which players were in the game in the first half. WH was just turning the ball over too often, and giving up too many layups. In my opinion, outside of Rakers, there's not a significant differents in skill level among the top 10 players.

I mean, you have to give QND full credit for coming out strong and taking it to WH. But to imply that WH just "got lucky" in holding their own in the second half isn't really fair. This isn't Reno Pinkston's first year coaching. I think there's a pretty fair chance that he saw some things and made some adjustments. I seriously doubt if he went into the locker room down 21 and told his players "do the same thing you did in the first half".

[Titanfan89]

I'm not saying he didn't make any adjustments, just not any big swings at changing anything. I honestly am surprised that WH didn't get beat worse than they did, as anyone who saw that game knew it was over in the first half. If QND had played their normal 5 more in the second half, could have been 30+. Give WH credit, they settled down in the second half and I don't think turned the ball over as much and rebounded a lot better and actually put up a fight. I don't doubt a bit that they learned a lot of things from that loss and when they play again, they will be much more prepared, and think that Reno will do even more tinkering with his offense and defense. I don't know what else he could do to get open shots from the perimeter but I still think WH has problems attacking the basket at times.

[bballjunkie1]

Iknow switching man to man is not zone, but if run correctly it actually looks like a zone.

[Titanfan89]

It all depends upon player movement and who goes where and how many people are on one side of the floor.