The Great Uniform Debate

[fanofthegame]

(EDITED by MODERATOR: I split this off from another thread, many of these posts originally were contained in the Hancock County Tournament thread, but I thought they were best served in a thread all their own so here they are. Sorry for any inconvenience to the original posters)

This illegal uniforms thing didn't just crop up overnight. The rule may be stupid, but it has been in existence. Also, it isn't an IHSA rule. It is a rule from the National Federation that the IHSA follows. There is a looong discussion about this topic on Illinoishighschoolsports.com. If you remember, North Lawndale was assessed technicals at the state tournament last year for illegal uniforms. Here is a timeline provided on IHSS that should give you an idea of how long this has been an issue and why it is being enforced now.

"Following is a brief timeline of NFHS rule 3-4-1 and the events involving North Lawndale:



2007-08 Season
Uniforms were made a point of emphasis by the NFHS; specifically, presentations (see below) were made available to member schools through the NFHS and IHSA websites.
The penalty for wearing illegal uniforms was one technical foul per player who participated while wearing illegal uniforms; given its severity, the IHSA instructed officials not to enforce the penalty, but requested reports be sent to the office following games where schools violated the rule.
A number of schools, including North Lawndale, were notified of their illegal uniforms during the season and told that, should the penalty be changed, they could expect to be penalized in the future. Schools were reminded to view the presentations available on the NFHS and IHSA websites for further explanation. Specifically, North Lawndale was notified at the state tournament in March of 2008 that their uniforms were illegal and would be subject to future penalties, particularly if the uniform rule penalty was modified.
At the NFHS rules meeting in April of 2008, the penalty for illegal uniforms was modified. The new penalty assessed a single technical foul on the head coach for illegal uniforms worn by any number of players.
2008-09 Season
Uniforms were again emphasized at preseason rules meetings, given the change in penalty for wearing illegal uniforms. The preseason IHSA basketball rules meetings, which are mandatory for the head coach at every school in the state, presented 3-4-1 as a Point of Emphasis due to the change in penalty.
Member schools and officials were again directed to the NFHS and IHSA websites for additional information regarding uniforms. With the modification of the penalty, officials were instructed that the rule was to be enforced in the current season, just like any other rule.
2009 IHSA Class 3A State Finals
During its team shootaround at noon on Thursday, March 19, at the Peoria Civic Center, North Lawndale head coach Lewis Thorpe was notified of the uniform infraction and informed the technical foul penalty would be enforced if those uniforms were worn during the State Finals. Coach Thorpe was told that any legal uniform could be worn by the team at the State Finals."

This has been talked about since the 07-08 season. Every school should know about it. For what it's worth I agree that the rule is dumb, but really schools with illegal uniforms should start every game with a technical. Most refs just don't enforce the penalty.

[RadioGuy]

And I want to know what specifically is wrong with the uniforms that they can play for a year and a half with and not have any problems and then all of a sudden something is SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong that they can't play with them unless they want a technical foul. The stupid IHSA should have imposed uniform regulations on teams who are getting new uniforms, not teams that already have ones in use. If you are going to use a new uniform, you should have to submit the specs to the IHSA for approval and not make teams who have existing uniforms have to go out and get new ones.

I really do hate the IHSA now.

Look, the IHSA has not been a favorite of mine due several of their decisions over the past few years. But, you need to know the history of this in order to properly aim your hate.

The uniform rule came into effect four years ago (05-06 season). This rule change was made by the National Federation ... not the IHSA. The IHSA is a member of the NF and, therefore, follows their rules. The rule change was actually added to the rulebook (if memory serves) in 03-04 giving schools notification what was to be a legal uniform starting in 05-06.

Officials have more-or-less ignored the rule until last year when we had the bru-ha-ha over uniforms occurred in the state finals. Officials continued to not widely enforce the rule this year until December 22. That was when all officials received communication from the IHSA office that if they didn't start enforcing the uniform rule, the IHSA would not assign them to the post-season.

So ... there's plenty of blame to go around here: the NF made the rule change, schools knew of the rule change yet (knowingly, or not) purchased illegal uniforms, uniform providers (knowingly, or not) sold illegal uniforms, officials ignored the rule, the IHSA has required officials to enforce the rule.

Before hating the IHSA over this decision, take a look at the history. Heck, even take a look at the present. It is my understanding the IHSA is allowing waivers of the uniform rule if schools are taking corrective steps. I don't think one can direct anger at the IHSA for asking for the rules to be followed.

[guest07]

Look, the IHSA has not been a favorite of mine due several of their decisions over the past few years. But, you need to know the history of this in order to properly aim your hate.

The uniform rule came into effect four years ago (05-06 season). This rule change was made by the National Federation ... not the IHSA. The IHSA is a member of the NF and, therefore, follows their rules. The rule change was actually added to the rulebook (if memory serves) in 03-04 giving schools notification what was to be a legal uniform starting in 05-06.

Officials have more-or-less ignored the rule until last year when we had the bru-ha-ha over uniforms occurred in the state finals. Officials continued to not widely enforce the rule this year until December 22. That was when all officials received communication from the IHSA office that if they didn't start enforcing the uniform rule, the IHSA would not assign them to the post-season.

So ... there's plenty of blame to go around here: the NF made the rule change, schools knew of the rule change yet (knowingly, or not) purchased illegal uniforms, uniform providers (knowingly, or not) sold illegal uniforms, officials ignored the rule, the IHSA has required officials to enforce the rule.

Before hating the IHSA over this decision, take a look at the history. Heck, even take a look at the present. It is my understanding the IHSA is allowing waivers of the uniform rule if schools are taking corrective steps. I don't think one can direct anger at the IHSA for asking for the rules to be followed.

I don't think the anger is directed at the fact that the rule is being enforced. I think the anger is directed at the rule itself. What is the point?

With today's budget crunches at schools, there is no justification for the IHSA or anyone else to require schools to buy new uniforms to comply. West Hancock, for example, has been wearing these uniforms for 2 years, and I'd love for you to convince me how it has altered the outcome of a single game. There are a gazillion better ways that those dollars could be and should be spent. I don't know why it's even being discussed.

[PhotoGuy]

Honestly, I could see it if the uniforms were in some way indecent, but frankly the uniform police is just stupid.

[radiowaves]

I do not like seat belt laws, but it does protect me and if I do not wear one, it will cost me. I hate the stop sign across the street from my work. But if I do not stop someone else could hit my car, and I could have to pay a fine, more money.

I hated some of the rules I had to enforce in 27 years of umpiring, but they were the rules we were given, and if I did not enforce them properly, it was not fair to all concerned. The uniform rule came about from some using uniforms that were not proper, teams not all being treated equally, and of course, some influence from uniform companies who could sell more new uniforms. Baden won the contract for the basketballs from Wilson who won it from Rawlings before them. The boys state tourney in Basketball is in Peoria, Champaign did not like that. Oh well, it is the rule of the day and unless we can use some power we have to change it, we might be prepared to pay the price if we do not follow the rules. Sounds alot like the poolitics of the day. I do not like it or the people in charge but unless I can get better ones elected, I am out of luck and will have to follow along. I do not hate the IHSA because I have not seen anyone offering a better association.

[bballjunkie1]

I know for a fact that all schools have received many many letters about the uniforms. The letters were sent out BEFORE West Hancock came out with their new uniforms. Blame IHSA all you want, but the rules were there before the uniforms were made. Western High School made sure that their uniforms were made right as WH should of too. I know money is tight with schools now, but I do think this could of been solved if WH would of made sure their uniforms were done right the first time. The rules were in place at that time.

[guest07]

I know for a fact that all schools have received many many letters about the uniforms. The letters were sent out BEFORE West Hancock came out with their new uniforms. Blame IHSA all you want, but the rules were there before the uniforms were made. Western High School made sure that their uniforms were made right as WH should of too. I know money is tight with schools now, but I do think this could of been solved if WH would of made sure their uniforms were done right the first time. The rules were in place at that time.


I don't care if they got a thousand letters. I don't want my administrators to spend one minute of their time measuring stripes on the uniforms. Maybe the folks at Western High School have time to do that, but I'd prefer that my administrators spend their time on things that are relevant. With the budget crunches and administration cutbacks, the IHSA is foolish for even thinking that school officials have time for these types of foolish games.

[wolverine55]

Between four different message boards, I've read close to 20 pages on this topic yet and NO ONE has presented VIABLE reason for why the rule exists. And, for those of you who have used speed limit comparisons and selt belt laws...let's not be ridiculous. Obviously, those laws save lives and protect people. Even in a sports context, who exactly is this uniform rule protecting? How is it making the game better? Or better yet, why was the rule put in in the first place? One of the most commonly stated rules of leadership is to not be a micromanager. The IHSA is now pretty much a synomym for micromanager.

[Titanfan89]

I understand the point about the rules that were brought up but stop signs and seat bealts are safety rules, not stupid rules about what you can and cannot wear. The problem with the IHSA implementing this rule is the lack of enforcement. When they implemented the rule, they should of have teams submit a uniform they intended to use and at that time tell them whether or not they are compliant, and for those schools getting new uniforms, have them submit the design specs to the IHSA for approval. They should not have left it up to the officials to implement this, except for providing the officials with what the schools have submitted as acceptable uniforms.

Still, the rule is pointless unless you are trying to stop teams that are trying to send their players on the floor naked.

[PhotoGuy]

I wonder if the old QHS uniforms from the Bruce/Dennis/Keith/Michael superteams of the 1980's would be banned... even though they showed a lot less than what the modern ones do.

I remember opposing teams used to laugh at QHS before the games because their shirts were different... I don't recall much laughter AFTER the games when the Devils got done with em, though.

[MrBlueDevil]

I don't recall much laughter AFTER the games when the Devils got done with em, though.

You got THAT right PG!

[PhotoGuy]

Personally, I think the rules are dumb as doggie doo. As long as the kids wear something that covers up "that which should not be seen", who cares what they wear?

I always get a kick out of watching the girls wad up the top of their jersey straps in whatever sport they are playing, no matter how thin that top strap may be... I have no idea why they do this, but there are always two or three girls on every team that rolls under her sleeves or top strap or whatever.

I think if a team wanted to wear warm up sweats all game long, let em! If they wanted to wear blue jean cuttoffs (as long as they were decently long), let em.

I can see limiting it to no advertising... and I can even see rules about making numbers large enough to see (or, as importantly, making them enough of a difference in color from the background that they can be read... I hate my local team's black numbers on dark red football kit).

Personally, I think the state organizations like to just sit around and make up stupid rules sometimes... because it gives the people who like to make up rules something to do.

What say you?

[stackjack1]

I agree 100% Wolverine. I thought it was just the under arm part of the jersey, then I read on other threads that it involves quite a bit more. Logos on the back of jersey are outlawed, the letter across the chest must be above the numbers. A stripe has to be 4 inches. The stripe under the arm has to be 1 inch. I just don't get it. I mean when I go to a game I don't say, "Why didn't the refs t that team up? Their jersey stripe is too big." It is ridiculous. And now these schools are scrambling in the middle of the season. I understand it is a rule, but I would think there are other issues the IHSA could worry about, such as finding younger officials, cleaning up hand checking and bodying on defense, implementing a shot clock, not having officials do 3-4 games a day during a tournament. Those are bigger issues in my opinion.

[bballjunkie1]

I don't care if they got a thousand letters. I don't want my administrators to spend one minute of their time measuring stripes on the uniforms. Maybe the folks at Western High School have time to do that, but I'd prefer that my administrators spend their time on things that are relevant. With the budget crunches and administration cutbacks, the IHSA is foolish for even thinking that school officials have time for these types of foolish games.

Maybe you should care. Cause guess what, your schools is breaking a rule whether you like it or not. Have you ever helped with getting jerseys? It is not really all that hard. See Western had the brains to follow what the IHSA sent them. Knowing good and well that if they didnt there could be some ramification. You dont want your Administrators to spend one minute of their time measuring stripes? Guess what, they are spending probable 10 times more minutes now than they would of at the time. then who picked the ones you got? All they had to do, when they picked the uniforms they have now, is make sure they follow the IHSA rules. It is not all that hard when picking jerserys out to pick ones that meet IHSA specs. Get mad at the IHSA all you want, and not agree with me all you want, but I think if they would of taken the time to do it like they were asked there would not be the problem they are dealing with now.
Wolverine, why does the IHSA do half the things they do. We dont know. If you dont like it maybe you shoudl write them a letter or maybe you should try to work for them. Do the micromanage? yes, do they drive me nuts, Yes. Do i like the uniform rule? No. But it has been in place for a good amount of time now, and a school with new uniforms has NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEM, Not the IHSA. Now, if you are wearing a uniform from before the rule change I would say you ahve a right to complain, but they rule was in place when WH ordered the unis they have now. Dont blame the IHSA for your school not taking them serious.

[bballjunkie1]

On a note tonight. The CP/Clark County game, had the uniforms brought up tonight. CC got T'd up for not having the "right" measurements. CPs coach tried to get them to wave the T, but the officials said they had to enforce the rule. CPs coach had his player make two line violations to start the game in a manner of good sportsmanship.

[PhotoGuy]

And people wonder why there are not more interstate games played.

Clarks uniforms are legal in Missouri. According to a Tri-Rivers assistant coach I know, all the conference teams had their uniforms checked and approved before the year began in Missouri after some problems last year.

Yeah, come visit our state and get nailed for some stupid violation you don't even know about. Nice.

Good job by the CP coach.

[bballjunkie1]

And people wonder why there are not more interstate games played.

Clarks uniforms are legal in Missouri. According to a Tri-Rivers assistant coach I know, all the conference teams had their uniforms checked and approved before the year began in Missouri after some problems last year.

Yeah, come visit our state and get nailed for some stupid violation you don't even know about. Nice.

Good job by the CP coach.

Coach Plattner has always been a class act. Must be a Pittsfield thing. ;)

[Titanfan89]

Way to go coach Platner, what a true class act for a stupid rule by both the IHSA and the national association for adopting it, completely stupid unless the offense is such that intervention is actually needed.

[guest07]

Maybe you should care. Cause guess what, your schools is breaking a rule whether you like it or not. Have you ever helped with getting jerseys? It is not really all that hard. See Western had the brains to follow what the IHSA sent them. Knowing good and well that if they didnt there could be some ramification. You dont want your Administrators to spend one minute of their time measuring stripes? Guess what, they are spending probable 10 times more minutes now than they would of at the time. then who picked the ones you got? All they had to do, when they picked the uniforms they have now, is make sure they follow the IHSA rules. It is not all that hard when picking jerserys out to pick ones that meet IHSA specs. Get mad at the IHSA all you want, and not agree with me all you want, but I think if they would of taken the time to do it like they were asked there would not be the problem they are dealing with now.
Wolverine, why does the IHSA do half the things they do. We dont know. If you dont like it maybe you shoudl write them a letter or maybe you should try to work for them. Do the micromanage? yes, do they drive me nuts, Yes. Do i like the uniform rule? No. But it has been in place for a good amount of time now, and a school with new uniforms has NO ONE TO BLAME BUT THEM, Not the IHSA. Now, if you are wearing a uniform from before the rule change I would say you ahve a right to complain, but they rule was in place when WH ordered the unis they have now. Dont blame the IHSA for your school not taking them serious.

I don't want my school to take stripes on jerseys seriously. Again, if the folks at Western have time to play these games...... good for them. If that means that the WH players have to wear their warm-up jerseys or JV jerseys for games, then so be it. My administrators still won't get involved in this. You won't see WH players wearing new jerseys. If the IHSA tells you that all of the players have to wear purple socks and lipstick, is Western going to comply because it's a rule? It's ridiculous. Again, if you can give me one valid reason why this rule is in place, then I'll consider it. But playing along with the IHSA just for the sake of pacifying them is ignorant.

If I'm not mistaken, the players are more involved in picking out jerseys than the administrators are. I would assume neither one of those groups were concerned about stripe width when they ordered the uniforms, nor would I want them to be.

[guest07]

On a note tonight. The CP/Clark County game, had the uniforms brought up tonight. CC got T'd up for not having the "right" measurements. CPs coach tried to get them to wave the T, but the officials said they had to enforce the rule. CPs coach had his player make two line violations to start the game in a manner of good sportsmanship.

Good for Plattner.

Maybe if enough coaches make a mockery of this stupid rule, they'll reconsider it.

[Titanfan89]

Part of making any rule, if you are the IHSA, a city government, federal government, etc., is you have to be able to enforce the rule. If the IHSA, couldn't enforce the rule when they implemented it, why didnt they just get rid of it instead of putting so much time and effort to try to blackmail officials to enforce the stupid rule. I wouldnt have a problem if they would have enforced it from the get go but they let it slip. Really stupid what the IHSA is doing right now.

[fanofthegame]

Yeah, the rule is dumb. It doesn't matter though because it is still a rule. I think a LOT of IHSA rules are dumb. That doesn't mean my administration should ignore them. If you want that, you can of course, leave the IHSA all together. Since I am assuming you don't want your administration to do that though, there are two options: follow the rules or take the penalty. We can argue this until we all drop, but the only opinion that matters is sitting in the IHSA offices right now. Due notice was given, and WH ignored it. The administration doesn't have to measure stripes. Distributers are aware of uniform rules more times than not. If they aren't they simply have to be pointed to IHSA guidelines. It really isn't that difficult.

[PhotoGuy]

OK, I am playing moderator here and moving the posts about this debate from the Hancock Tournament thread to this one... it is an interesting topic and taking that thread off course.

[guest07]

Yeah, the rule is dumb. It doesn't matter though because it is still a rule. I think a LOT of IHSA rules are dumb. That doesn't mean my administration should ignore them. If you want that, you can of course, leave the IHSA all together. Since I am assuming you don't want your administration to do that though, there are two options: follow the rules or take the penalty. We can argue this until we all drop, but the only opinion that matters is sitting in the IHSA offices right now. Due notice was given, and WH ignored it. The administration doesn't have to measure stripes. Distributers are aware of uniform rules more times than not. If they aren't they simply have to be pointed to IHSA guidelines. It really isn't that difficult.

I would assume that WH ordered the uniforms from a distributor. So I don't think you can count on the distributor to ackowledge such petty rules either.

There will be no penalties, because every coach in the state with an ounce of integrity is going to make a mockery of this rule by refusing to accept the technical free throws awarded to them (just as they've been doing). Maybe as teams continue to make a mockery of this rule, and as Illinois basketball becomes the punchline to jokes in other states, the IHSA will back off on this.

[Vikingfan1]

I have heard that WH has ordered new uniforms. I would expect them to have the new uniforms by Fridays game.

[Titanfan89]

Well I hope they got the designed approved by the IHSA and then send the IHSA the bill for the new ones.

IHSA = STUPID

[guest07]

I have heard that WH has ordered new uniforms. I would expect them to have the new uniforms by Fridays game.

I heard that they wouldn't order them until next year. Could have heard wrong, however. I also heard that they would just wear the JV jerseys.

[bballjunkie1]

I don't want my school to take stripes on jerseys seriously. Again, if the folks at Western have time to play these games...... good for them. If that means that the WH players have to wear their warm-up jerseys or JV jerseys for games, then so be it. My administrators still won't get involved in this. You won't see WH players wearing new jerseys. If the IHSA tells you that all of the players have to wear purple socks and lipstick, is Western going to comply because it's a rule? It's ridiculous. Again, if you can give me one valid reason why this rule is in place, then I'll consider it. But playing along with the IHSA just for the sake of pacifying them is ignorant.

If I'm not mistaken, the players are more involved in picking out jerseys than the administrators are. I would assume neither one of those groups were concerned about stripe width when they ordered the uniforms, nor would I want them to be.
WOW, WH signed up to be a part of the IHSA, what part of that do you not understand? What part of the rules do you not understand. The state did not come in this year and tell you to buy new uniforms. They had this in before you bought the ones you have now. It is WHs fault for all of this, not the IHSA. Usually the Coach and AD are the ones who pic the jerseys out with some input from the players. That is who I blame for not making sure they were within the IHSA guidlines. AS we have all stated the rule is dumb, but you are a part of th IHSA. YOu play by their rules or you get penalized.

[Vikingfan1]

I heard that they wouldn't order them until next year. Could have heard wrong, however. I also heard that they would just wear the JV jerseys.

Interesting, what would jv wear? I am assuming old Warsaw Wildcat jerseys. I know its not WNC anymore but I would rather them wear the old WNC jerseys (if they still have them), then to wear the JV uniforms.

[Titanfan89]

I still have my jerseys for Warsaw from 1997 when we won the state championship. I will donate them to the program. Oh wait, I think they are illegal too because the shorts were a little different and the IHSA fashion police will probably find something else wrong with them. Never mind.

[guest07]

WOW, WH signed up to be a part of the IHSA, what part of that do you not understand? What part of the rules do you not understand. The state did not come in this year and tell you to buy new uniforms. They had this in before you bought the ones you have now. It is WHs fault for all of this, not the IHSA. Usually the Coach and AD are the ones who pic the jerseys out with some input from the players. That is who I blame for not making sure they were within the IHSA guidlines. AS we have all stated the rule is dumb, but you are a part of th IHSA. YOu play by their rules or you get penalized.

It's a petty rule that has no relevance. If the IHSA told your school to have all of their players play with red noses on their face and clown shoes on their feet, would you comply just because "it's the rule"?

I understand that it's the rule. I understand the the officials are being coerced into enforcing it (after not enforcing it for a year and a half, it's suddenly the most important issue in every game). I also understand that coaches are making a mockery of the IHSA by refusing the technical free throws. What does that tell you?

The whole point is that the IHSA is making a mockery of Illinois basketball, and that is sad. THAT is the fault of the IHSA, not West Hancock, or any other school that didn't realize that this rule was an actual rule and not some joke throw in for a good laugh.

[guest07]

Interesting, what would jv wear? I am assuming old Warsaw Wildcat jerseys. I know its not WNC anymore but I would rather them wear the old WNC jerseys (if they still have them), then to wear the JV uniforms.

They may wear the warm-up jerseys (it turns out that's what the varsity was wearing the other night). Or I suppose they could somehow share jerseys.

[PhotoGuy]

Anybody know an administrator or coach there we can get a comment from?

[Titanfan89]

The AD for WH is Judy Melton and she would probably be willing to talk to you. Just call Warsaw High School and ask for her.

[PhotoGuy]

Here's the rules, in case anybody doesn't know.

SECTION 4 UNIFORMS

ART. 1 . . . Team jersey color and design shall adhere to the following:
a. The torso of the team jersey shall be the same single solid color for all team
members.
b. The torso is the portion of the jersey from an imaginary line at the base of
the neckline extending to each armhole, down to the bottom hem of the
jersey and from side seam/insert to side seam/insert. The imaginary line at
the base of the neckline shall not extend beyond 1½ inches from the lowest
point of the neckline apex/opening.
c. The torso color shall be white for the home team and a contrasting dark
color for the visiting team.
d. There are no color/design restrictions in the area of the team jersey from
the imaginary line at the base of the neckline to the top of the shoulder and
in the corresponding area on the back of the jersey.
e. Side inserts, including trim/piping/accent color(s), shall be no more than 4
inches in width (2 inches on each side of seam) of any color(s) or design,
centered vertically below the armpit. Side inserts for all team jerseys shall
be the same width.
f. Trim, piping or an accent color differing from the torso color shall not
exceed 1 inch around the arm openings, except as in item d above.

ART. 2 . . . Logos/flags/patches shall adhere to the following:
a. A visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference is not permitted on the
team jersey.
b. The American flag may be worn anywhere on the team jersey provided it
does not exceed 2 x 3 inches and does not interfere with the visibility of the
player's number.
c. One commemorative/memorial patch may be worn on the jersey. The patch
shall not exceed 4 square inches, shall not be a number and must be
located above the neckline or in the side insert.
d. A school or conference logo/mascot may be located at the apex/opening of
the neckline.

ART. 3 . . . Numbers shall adhere to the following:
a. Team jerseys shall include the team member's number, which shall be at
least 6 inches high on the back and at least 4 inches high on the front and
not less than 3/4 inch in width excluding the border.
b. The number(s) shall be centered vertically and horizontally.
c. The number(s) on the front and back of the team jersey shall be the same
color and style.
d. Each team member shall be numbered on the front and back of the team
jersey with plain Arabic numerals. The following numbers are legal: 0, 1, 2,
3, 4, 5, 00, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, 33,
34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55. A team member list
shall not have both numbers 0 and 00.
e. No more than three colors may be used on the number. The style of the
number must be clearly visible and conform to one of the following:
1. A solid contrasting color with no more than two solid color 1/4-inch
borders around the entire number. If the team jersey color is used as a
border, it must be counted as one of the allowed colors.
2. The team jersey color itself when bordered with not more than two 1/4-
inch solid border(s) contrasting with the team jersey color.
3. A solid contrasting color with a "shadow" trim of a contrasting color on
part of the number not to exceed 1/2 inch in width and may be used
with one 1/4-inch border.

ART. 4 . . . Identifying name(s) shall adhere to the following:
a. If used, lettering with team names and/or abbreviations or team member's
names must be placed horizontally on the jersey.
b. Lettering above a number may be arched, but the first and last letters must
be on the same horizontal plane, such plane shall not be below a plane
extending through the top of the number(s).
c. Lettering below a number must have the first and last letters on the same
horizontal plane and said plane shall not be above a plane extending
through the bottom of the numbers(s).
d. Any point on any letter shall not be closer than one inch to any point on any
number(s).
e. Any form of decorative accent (e.g., paw, halo, crown, star) in an
identifying name or abbreviation is only permitted if the name or
abbreviation is located above the number.
f. If a tail is used in the lettering of an identifying name or abbreviation, the
name or abbreviation must be located below the number.

ART. 5 . . . Uniform pants/skirts shall adhere to the following:
a. Only one visible manufacturer’s logo/trademark/reference is permitted. See
3-6-2 for size requirements.

Here it is with Pictures:

Uniform Info (clicky) (http://www.ihsa.org/activity/bkb/2009-10/uniform%20info.pdf)

[RadioGuy]

Look. The schools make the choice 1) to belong the IHSA and 2) to abide by the IHSA rules. If they don't like the rule, they are not required to join. They are called rules ... not suggestions.
Now, does that mean the current rule is a good one. No. The officials I know HATE being the uniform police. But the IHSA has held a proverbial "gun" to their head and made the stripes enforce the rule. (Keep in mind, the rule was made by a national group, the National Federation, of which the IHSA is a member. There have been plenty of rules the NF has passed that the IHSA did not favor, but as a member of that group, they are bound to enforce the rule or lose their vote for future rules changes.)

Uniform rules changes are always impletemented by the NF years in advance of actual enforcement. It is talked about several years before enforcement. It is in the rules books before actual enforcement. The schools who purchased illegal uniforms have no excuse.

Now, for the question of rationale behind the need for the rules change ... I'm not exactly sure. But I am aware that problems have existed with teams, such as Farmington, IL, who were wearing gold as their "light" home uniforms and a visiting team wearing gold as their "dark" road uniform (opting to wear white at home). (Western Illinois Univ. had gold home uni's at one time and Valparaiso's road jerseys were gold, as another example.)
The rule was made to make it clear what could be worn at home and on the road. Additionally, the rule was changed to further define what needs to be white and what can be colored. Those definitions could have been written by lawyers ... or over-zealous administrators at the national level. But the bottom line is, they're written as they're written and they're the same for everybody.

I have been told another rationale for the rules change regarding uniforms had to do with restraining the ever-increasing trend of more and more flashy uniforms. It has become an "arms race" of who could have the most outrageous or new-fangled uniforms and thus created an issue of the "haves" vs. the "have-nots."

While I believe the intent of the rule change was probably to simplify the issue, I think it has had the opposite effect due to officials not willing to enforce it once it became "law" and secondly due to the lack of dilligence on the part of schools and uniform manufacturers. Here's a list of the member associations of the NF: http://www.nfhs.org/stateoff.aspx (If you're gonna be an IHSA-hater on this issue, here's the other ones to hate just as much.)

By the way ... prepare for more controversy: Football uniform rules changes take effect 2012 football season. This change was announced two or three years ago and will take effect the 2012-13 school year.

[guest07]

You can believe what you want to, RadioGuy. To my knowledge, Iowa and Missouri have not enforced the rule yet. Illinois didn't enforce the rule for a year and a half. There was no rule for decades and decades. And guess what....... it didn't influence the outcome of a single game. I'm not entirely sure, but I don't believe that the IHSA is required to enforce every rule that the NF dreams up.

You can try to justify all you want to. The coaches don't want to acknowledge the rule, or they wouldn't be sacrificing the technical free throws. This is nothing more than the IHSA trying to flex their muscle and get their name in the paper. If that's OK with you..........cool. It's not really OK with me. And yes, I realize that there's nothing that I can do about it.

Did the schools make a silly mistake by not measuring every stripe on every uniform before ordering them? Yeah, I suppose they did........ but I really can't blame them because I'd rather they spend their time on things that matter. So now there are consequences. Meanwhile, I think we can all agree that officials make plenty of mistakes. Where are the consequences for them? They get paid whether they make the right calls or the wrong ones. I guess "consequences" only apply to school administrators.

[Titanfan89]

My question is what recourse does a school have to get their illegal uniforms replaced for free if they bought them within the time period the rule was in place. Can they go to the manufacturer and say hey, you should have know this was an illegal uniform, therefore we want our money back or want replacements that are legal? I'm sure manufacturers will be flooded with these types of questions and have heard on different boards about teams getting their jerseys replaced for free. I wonder if this will burn some relationships if the manufacturers say hey you should have known too.

I think if the IHSA was going to do this, they should have required each team to submit a current uniform they are using to make sure it complies. If you are going to get new ones, the IHSA should have made a mandate to have the designs approved before they are bought and delivered. Would have solved some of the headaches.

[wolverine55]

You're right, guest. The IHSA doesn't have to enforce every rule the Federation suggests or makes. For instance, there are 7 or 8 states that have a shot clock. Obviously, that's not a rule the Federation is making every state enforce.

[bballjunkie1]

Look. The schools make the choice 1) to belong the IHSA and 2) to abide by the IHSA rules. If they don't like the rule, they are not required to join. They are called rules ... not suggestions.
Now, does that mean the current rule is a good one. No. The officials I know HATE being the uniform police. But the IHSA has held a proverbial "gun" to their head and made the stripes enforce the rule. (Keep in mind, the rule was made by a national group, the National Federation, of which the IHSA is a member. There have been plenty of rules the NF has passed that the IHSA did not favor, but as a member of that group, they are bound to enforce the rule or lose their vote for future rules changes.)

Uniform rules changes are always impletemented by the NF years in advance of actual enforcement. It is talked about several years before enforcement. It is in the rules books before actual enforcement. The schools who purchased illegal uniforms have no excuse.

Now, for the question of rationale behind the need for the rules change ... I'm not exactly sure. But I am aware that problems have existed with teams, such as Farmington, IL, who were wearing gold as their "light" home uniforms and a visiting team wearing gold as their "dark" road uniform (opting to wear white at home). (Western Illinois Univ. had gold home uni's at one time and Valparaiso's road jerseys were gold, as another example.)
The rule was made to make it clear what could be worn at home and on the road. Additionally, the rule was changed to further define what needs to be white and what can be colored. Those definitions could have been written by lawyers ... or over-zealous administrators at the national level. But the bottom line is, they're written as they're written and they're the same for everybody.

I have been told another rationale for the rules change regarding uniforms had to do with restraining the ever-increasing trend of more and more flashy uniforms. It has become an "arms race" of who could have the most outrageous or new-fangled uniforms and thus created an issue of the "haves" vs. the "have-nots."

While I believe the intent of the rule change was probably to simplify the issue, I think it has had the opposite effect due to officials not willing to enforce it once it became "law" and secondly due to the lack of dilligence on the part of schools and uniform manufacturers. Here's a list of the member associations of the NF: http://www.nfhs.org/stateoff.aspx (If you're gonna be an IHSA-hater on this issue, here's the other ones to hate just as much.)

By the way ... prepare for more controversy: Football uniform rules changes take effect 2012 football season. This change was announced two or three years ago and will take effect the 2012-13 school year.

Good post here, probably the best one we have had on the topic. WH fans, no one in here is trying to defend the rule being a good one. We are just saying that it is a rule. SImple as that. I hope that all coaches do what CPs coach did. Unfortunately it cost Lawndale as shot at the state championship last year, and i would like to go back to that board if we could to see what some were saying about it. My guess is that most of us did not feel sorry for North Lawndale. Lawndale lost the semi final game by 2 and I think it might of been in OT.

Guest, I think Photoguy said that the Tri County teams all had their uniforms checked before the season, so they must be complying with the rule. I do agree that right now Administrators have a lot more pressing things to deal with than uniforms that have a stripe to wide.
Dont bring the refs into this, as that is called human error. And refs make judgement calls that can not be measured like a uniform. Just as bad of an example as the speeding ticket. As for refs doing a bad job they do have consequences. No post season games, demoted to lower levels, or in some cases schools just dont call that ref anymore.

[Titanfan89]

How can you not bring the refs in on this conversation, they were the ones appointed to enforce the rule (or choose not to enforce it until the IHSA tells them they will not be reffing important games). I don't blame the refs but part of it is their fault as well, not implementing the rule when they should have. But, in my opinion, more of the blame goes to the IHSA for implementing the rule and implementing it without effort to get the schools to comply when the rule was introduced (such as having the teams submit their uniforms for approval).

[bballjunkie1]

Why not blame WH for not following the rule as dumb as it may be? I guess you are right, WH did nothing wrong.

[Titanfan89]

Blame WH then, I don't care, but saying the referees are not part of the issue is just dumb itself. Get a clue man.

[bballjunkie1]

Blame WH then, I don't care, but saying the referees are not part of the issue is just dumb itself. Get a clue man.

Get a clue? Ok, go and read the post about the officials. The comments were about them being penalized for blowing calls, not for the uniforms. Now, if you are referring to the refs not calling the schools out in the past about the uniforms, then yes they are part of the problem. SO next time you tell someone to get a clue, make sure you have it all correct.

[Titanfan89]

Hahahahaha, your making this comical now. How did refs blowing calls creep into them having no responsibility for this whole entire uniform issue? You continue to amaze me with your insights and where you go with conversations.

[guest07]

Why not blame WH for not following the rule as dumb as it may be? I guess you are right, WH did nothing wrong.

WH is guilty of not knowing that the rule existed. And again, I'm thankful for that. I would hate to think that the administration is spending their time reading about stripes and measuring uniforms down to the inch. They're guilty of not being foolish.

[PhotoGuy]

http://zoopictures.zenfolio.com/img/v0/p530339812-3.jpg
Good thing I brought my tape measure to the game, those uniforms over there look like the stripes around the sleeves may be 1/4 of an inch too big!... I sure hope I don't hurt anything in my pants because I spend two games running around with a tape measure in my pocket!

This whole thing is beyond bizarre.

[bballjunkie1]

Hahahahaha, your making this comical now. How did refs blowing calls creep into them having no responsibility for this whole entire uniform issue? You continue to amaze me with your insights and where you go with conversations.

Ok, Maybe you should go read number 37, where Guest wrote about the officials not me. Please enlighten me on how I am the one who brought the refs in? I used what someone else said. I did not make it up on my own/

[Titanfan89]

Gotcha, I know what your getting at now. My mistake. I apologize. But, as you said earlier, referees do have some blame in this thing for lack of enforcement.

[RadioGuy]

Gotcha, I know what your getting at now. My mistake. I apologize. But, as you said earlier, referees do have some blame in this thing for lack of enforcement.

I absolutely agree with this. My point in my posts has been there's plenty of blame to go around. Everybody shares in the blame ... officials, too. (And, IMO, exactly for the reason you listed above Titanfan!)

For the posters who want to say, "These uniforms have no bearing on the outcome of the game!" While that's true, just stop and think for a moment about all of the other "administrative" rules that have no outcome on the game: dunking in pregame, incorrect numbers listed in the scorebook, not listing all of the players in the scorebook, coaches standing outside of the coach's box ... the list goes on and on. While these rules have no real bearing on who wins and who loses, those rules are there because there is a certain expectation of how the game is supposed to be played and administrated.

If I were a school administrator, I would make sure that any contract to supply uniforms includes a clause that states that the supplied uniforms meet all rules in force at the time of purchase and if the uniforms are later deemed to be in violation of the rules at the time of purchase, the supplier will replace the uniforms at no charge to the school. If a supplier isn't willing to sign such a contract, I wouldn't be buying from them.

[Titanfan89]

I agree regatrding the uniform suppliers. I bet schools are demanding such a clause like that now unless the school is submitting some kind of design themselves.

[catmando]

On a note tonight. The CP/Clark County game, had the uniforms brought up tonight. CC got T'd up for not having the "right" measurements. CPs coach tried to get them to wave the T, but the officials said they had to enforce the rule. CPs coach had his player make two line violations to start the game in a manner of good sportsmanship.

Kudos to CP coach.

[guest07]

I absolutely agree with this. My point in my posts has been there's plenty of blame to go around. Everybody shares in the blame ... officials, too. (And, IMO, exactly for the reason you listed above Titanfan!)

For the posters who want to say, "These uniforms have no bearing on the outcome of the game!" While that's true, just stop and think for a moment about all of the other "administrative" rules that have no outcome on the game: dunking in pregame, incorrect numbers listed in the scorebook, not listing all of the players in the scorebook, coaches standing outside of the coach's box ... the list goes on and on. While these rules have no real bearing on who wins and who loses, those rules are there because there is a certain expectation of how the game is supposed to be played and administrated.



Personally, I've never seen a technical foul called for incorrect numbers in a scorebook or players not being listed. And the rule about coaches being in the box is rarely enforced, but it is certainly there for obvious reasons (unlike the stripe rule). The dunking rule is there so that players don't bend rims, or hurt themselves.

[Titanfan89]

I have seen technicals given for not having players in the scorebook and not providing a complete roster in the scorebook. That one is enforced.

[catmando]

WH is guilty of not knowing that the rule existed. And again, I'm thankful for that. I would hate to think that the administration is spending their time reading about stripes and measuring uniforms down to the inch. They're guilty of not being foolish.

Guest, we don't really know if they're guilty of knowing or not knowing that the rule existed. They may be guilty of choosing to ignore the rule OR (and this is what I would like to believe) they were guilty of assuming that the uniform supplier would supply a uniform that met the rules.

[catmando]

I have seen technicals given for not having players in the scorebook and not providing a complete roster in the scorebook. That one is enforced.

I have seen this also, on more than 1 occasion.

[catmando]

Ok, now that I have read this whole thread, can someone tell me or point me to a post where it actually started for WH? I assume they have been getting t-d up to start games? When did this happen first? I had not heard about it until here...thanks! Summarized would be fine.

[Titanfan89]

It started this week playing their second game of the Hancock County Tournament when referees told them their uniforms were illegal, after playing for a season and a half with them and 1 game already in the county tournament (I don't know if same officials were used from first day to second day of tournament either).

[Titanfan89]

They had to play with an alternate jersey (still not for sure what it was, a jv uniform or girls uniform or what) or else they would have been assessed a techinical to start the game and Reno would have been benched the entire game.

[guest07]

Ok, now that I have read this whole thread, can someone tell me or point me to a post where it actually started for WH? I assume they have been getting t-d up to start games? When did this happen first? I had not heard about it until here...thanks! Summarized would be fine.

Monday night, prior to the game against Unity, an official told them that their uniforms were in violation of the IHSA rules, apparently because their stripes were 6 inches wide instead of 4 inches. They scrambled to the locker room and got warm-up jerseys to wear for that game. They've been wearing those uniforms for a year and a half while playing in 3 different states, and not once has it been a problem.

[nobody]

I have seen this also, on more than 1 occasion.

I have also, wrong numbers or not having the player listed is a T unless scorekeeper doesn't report it.

Saw it this year when a kid played in the JV game and didn't change jerseys and was put in varsity game with wrong number.

[PhotoGuy]

Funny story totally unrelated to the discussion:

Back in the 80's, Dave Bennett at Pittsfield and Mike Fray at Southeastern REALLY had a rivalry going... I am guessing they didn't meet in the off season to play golf...

Anyway, Pittsfield and SE were tied at half, and the players came out for the second half... as soon as the ball was in play (if I recall correctly it was a tip back in those days) Bennett called a time out, and called the officials over to the scorers desk with a cheese-eating grin on his face. They talked for a couple seconds, looked at the scoreboard, turned to the SE bench and called a T. Fray went completely Bobby Knight, absolutely ballistic. What happened was that Bennet had noticed that the guys on the floor to start the second half were not the same guys on the floor at the start of the game... and they hadn't reported in to the scoring desk... which (at least back then, I don't know if it is still that way) was a technical. Pittsfield ended up winning the game by a couple of points, and the technical foul scoring made a difference.

OK, I now return you to your regularly schedule programing.

[Titanfan89]

Hahahahahaha, I could see Bennet doing that and Fray reacting like that. That had to be classic to watch. Did Fray get thrown out? If he didn't those refs really must have been really nice people.

[Titanfan89]

I posted this on another board and I wanted to share it on here as well regarding my overall thoughts on the implementation of this rule.

In my opinion, the IHSA didn't do a very good job of implementing the rule to get the teams to comply. If you want someone or something to comply, you force them to comply. When implementing this rule, the IHSA should have told every team to submit one of the uniforms, both home and away, they would be using (doing this in the offseason of course) to the IHSA for the determination of whether the uniforms were compliant. Then the schools would know once and for all what they have to do at that time. And implement a rule that any new uniforms have to be cleared by the IHSA before being used, to protect the schools from manufacturers not knowing the rules either or not abiding by them. That could have solved a lot of this.

It is just like telling your kids not to do something. You give them warning after warning after warning that something is going to happen but they just blow you off until the hammer comes down and they know you are serious.

I guess my point is you have to get compliance early, not let it dangle for some transitional period or 3 years hoping the officials force it and then blackmailing officials by not enforcing it. The IHSA could have done a better job of getting compliance with this earlier.

[catmando]

That's a great story photoguy. I can only imagine what that rivalry was back then. I never played against one of his teams, but watched them play on TV in the state tournament at least 1 year and maybe more. I definately played against Fray coached teams and he was very intense, so the Bobby Knight reference painted a picture!

Does anyone else have any stories like this? Maybe you should start a thread along those lines?

Funny story totally unrelated to the discussion:

Back in the 80's, Dave Bennett at Pittsfield and Mike Fray at Southeastern REALLY had a rivalry going... I am guessing they didn't meet in the off season to play golf...

Anyway, Pittsfield and SE were tied at half, and the players came out for the second half... as soon as the ball was in play (if I recall correctly it was a tip back in those days) Bennett called a time out, and called the officials over to the scorers desk with a cheese-eating grin on his face. They talked for a couple seconds, looked at the scoreboard, turned to the SE bench and called a T. Fray went completely Bobby Knight, absolutely ballistic. What happened was that Bennet had noticed that the guys on the floor to start the second half were not the same guys on the floor at the start of the game... and they hadn't reported in to the scoring desk... which (at least back then, I don't know if it is still that way) was a technical. Pittsfield ended up winning the game by a couple of points, and the technical foul scoring made a difference.

OK, I now return you to your regularly schedule programing.

[catmando]

That would have required too much work on the part of the IHSA Titanfan. This way they have no culpability (in their eyes).
I posted this on another board and I wanted to share it on here as well regarding my overall thoughts on the implementation of this rule.

In my opinion, the IHSA didn't do a very good job of implementing the rule to get the teams to comply. If you want someone or something to comply, you force them to comply. When implementing this rule, the IHSA should have told every team to submit one of the uniforms, both home and away, they would be using (doing this in the offseason of course) to the IHSA for the determination of whether the uniforms were compliant. Then the schools would know once and for all what they have to do at that time. And implement a rule that any new uniforms have to be cleared by the IHSA before being used, to protect the schools from manufacturers not knowing the rules either or not abiding by them. That could have solved a lot of this.

It is just like telling your kids not to do something. You give them warning after warning after warning that something is going to happen but they just blow you off until the hammer comes down and they know you are serious.

I guess my point is you have to get compliance early, not let it dangle for some transitional period or 3 years hoping the officials force it and then blackmailing officials by not enforcing it. The IHSA could have done a better job of getting compliance with this earlier.

[Titanfan89]

I played for coach Dahl at Warsaw and the epic battles between him and a Reno Pinkston were memorable. I have seen many a clipboards broken under that man and am surprised he never once broke his foot with the stomping he did sometimes.

[Titanfan89]

I can remember one of my coaches kicking someones back down the length of the locker room because they were so mad. I can also remember us being kicked out of the gym because someone said they "can't" do something, after said coach proceeded to kick a basketball harder and farther than anyone that I know of.

[bballjunkie1]

Funny story totally unrelated to the discussion:

Back in the 80's, Dave Bennett at Pittsfield and Mike Fray at Southeastern REALLY had a rivalry going... I am guessing they didn't meet in the off season to play golf...

Anyway, Pittsfield and SE were tied at half, and the players came out for the second half... as soon as the ball was in play (if I recall correctly it was a tip back in those days) Bennett called a time out, and called the officials over to the scorers desk with a cheese-eating grin on his face. They talked for a couple seconds, looked at the scoreboard, turned to the SE bench and called a T. Fray went completely Bobby Knight, absolutely ballistic. What happened was that Bennet had noticed that the guys on the floor to start the second half were not the same guys on the floor at the start of the game... and they hadn't reported in to the scoring desk... which (at least back then, I don't know if it is still that way) was a technical. Pittsfield ended up winning the game by a couple of points, and the technical foul scoring made a difference.

OK, I now return you to your regularly schedule programing.
I had the oppurtunity to play for Coach Plattner, and for those who know his system it is part Bennett part Fray. Plattner runs a lot of Flex offense and the run and jump which he got from playing for Bennett. On Defense he runs a lot of zone that he learned from Fray. When I was in high school playing for Plattner he brought both guys in to show us their specialty. And you could imagine there was a lot of complaing about Fray showing us the 1-3-1 and 2-3 zone. It was classic.

As for the rule after half, the coach is suppose to report to the scorers table who is going to start the second half. If they dont report it is assumed that it is the original starters. IF a different player is in there should be a T called. The rule is still in place, but very rarely comes into play.

I had heard that Coach Dahl had a rather bad temper from time to time. Maybe some people remember Coach Joslyns days at West Pike. And maybe someone can tell the story but he ruptures is achilles during a game if I am not mistaken. He was also known to get T'd up during a game they were winning 30 plus points. The guy had a temper but a dang good coach.

[Titanfan89]

It was quite funny at times with Dahl. If anyone knows him, he is a religious person and it was so funny because he would get so mad at times that he just really, really wanted to sware but he wouldn't. He kept saying dang gommit and gosh darnit and things to that effect, but you just knew he wanted to go into a profane tirade.

Dang Gommit, that had to be his favorite.

[Titanfan89]

Looks like the IHSA may be trying to pull back on this issue now. Check this link out, issued just today.

http://www.ihsa.org/announce/2009-10/2010-01-14.htm

Quotes from Marty Hickman, IHSA Executive Director:

“We have no intention of requiring schools to expend additional dollars now, or in the future, to replace illegal uniforms,” added Hickman. “We fully realize there are many more pressing financial needs in our schools than basketball uniforms.”

“When a school or administrator complains about a rule, we always tell them that there is a process in place to change that rule and that they should submit a by-law proposal,” said Hickman. “We are taking our own advice, so to speak, as we feel that the NFHS uniform rules for basketball may be a bit too restrictive and cumbersome. We hope our proposal will be well received and help streamline those rules.”

It is funny, he says he doesn't want schools to expend any dollars to replace illegal uniforms now or in the future, well then what do you want them to do? Thank you Marty for realizing how stupid this is.

[bballjunkie1]

Looks like the IHSA may be trying to pull back on this issue now. Check this link out, issued just today.

http://www.ihsa.org/announce/2009-10/2010-01-14.htm

Quotes from Marty Hickman, IHSA Executive Director:

“We have no intention of requiring schools to expend additional dollars now, or in the future, to replace illegal uniforms,” added Hickman. “We fully realize there are many more pressing financial needs in our schools than basketball uniforms.”

“When a school or administrator complains about a rule, we always tell them that there is a process in place to change that rule and that they should submit a by-law proposal,” said Hickman. “We are taking our own advice, so to speak, as we feel that the NFHS uniform rules for basketball may be a bit too restrictive and cumbersome. We hope our proposal will be well received and help streamline those rules.”

It is funny, he says he doesn't want schools to expend any dollars to replace illegal uniforms now or in the future, well then what do you want them to do? Thank you Marty for realizing how stupid this is.

Easy solution would be to make the rule that any new uniforms need to comply with the rule. Kind of a grandfather clause to the existing uniforms. Schools usually replace uniforms every 3-4 years.

[Bigsportsballs]

would this conform to the standard? looks like an adidas product, if west hancock is interested.


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200804/r239012_966429.jpg

[Titanfan89]

Nope, too much cameltoe showing. Hahahahahaha

[bballjunkie1]

That reminds me of the old Chicago king shorts back in the early 90s.

[Titanfan89]

Plus it looks like that uniform is illegal, to many stripes and too big, need a waiver.

[PhotoGuy]

Also, logos are illegal.

I don't think I have ever seen skin tight basketball uni's on girls before...

I have seen PLENTY of guys wearing shorts that were WAY too short...

[bballjunkie1]

Can anyone get a picture of the old Chicago King team shorts?

[nobody]

Found this on IHSA website.

http://zoopictures.zenfolio.com/img/v8/p470354883-2.jpg

[PhotoGuy]

BTW the best way to show a picture here is to right click on the picture on the website where it is at, and click copy... then look in the little toolbar above the reply area and find the picture... click on it and hit paste.

Simply an FYI.

Remember, non-copywrited pictures only (like the one here is fine, since it was an official release photo).

[bballjunkie1]

I dont think those are the ones the wore in the early 90s with Rashard Griffiths and CO. tight shorts and long un tucked jerseys

[Titanfan89]

Speaking of uniforms, I think WH went out and got new ones before Hickman issued his letter this week saying you dont have to until it is your time to get new ones. It looks like the new ones were compliant.

[bballjunkie1]

Are they anything like Team Australia?

[Titanfan89]

Actually, I didn't know if they replaced them because they look pretty much exactly like what they had.

[Titanfan89]

Take a look at this that I found on IHSS. This is classic.

http://www.illinoishighschoolsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50233&page=15

[Titanfan89]

Someone on IHSS posted this regarding who has gotten waivers from the IHSA, and I guess this was the list on 1/15

The wavier list is out...as of 4:00pm CST.

Boys’ Teams

Barry (Western)
Calumet City (Thornton Fractional North)
Chicago (Noble St. Pritzker)
Chrisman
Delavan
Flanagan
Freeport (Aquin)
Gibson City (G.C.-Melvin-Sibley)
Henry (H.-Senachwine)
Heyworth
Lexington
Manlius (Bureau Valley)
Minonk (Fieldcrest)
Mt. Zion
Ottawa (Marquette)
Pecatonica
Peoria (Christian)
Port Byron (Riverdale)
Sciota (West Prairie)
Villa Park (Willowbrook)
Warsaw
Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
Winnebago



Girls’ Teams

Carthage (Illini West)
Deland (D.-Weldon)
Henry (H.-Senachwine)
Liberty
Manlius (Bureau Valley)
Normal (Community West)
Ottawa (Marquette)
Petersburg (PORTA)
Pittsfield
Quincy (Notre Dame)
Quincy (Sr.)
River Forest (Trinity)
Riverside (R.-Brookfield)

[Titanfan89]

Glad to see that West Hancock got the waiver from the IHSA. What a buch of RUH TARDS.

[catmando]

This was further on that same thread...and the caption read..."So a team could go with something like this for the low, low price of 1 technical?"
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Take a look at this that I found on IHSS. This is classic.http://www.illinoishighschoolsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50233&page=15

[allstarwannabe]

Funniest thing I've seen in a while.

[Titanfan89]

Great article in the Springfield Journal Register regarding this ridiculous uniform issue. Here is a link.

http://www.sj-r.com/carousel/x190609249/New-emphasis-on-uniform-rules-puts-high-schools-in-squeeze

[Vikingfan1]

Glad to see that West Hancock got the waiver from the IHSA. What a buch of RUH TARDS.

I wonder if they still have to order new ones for next season or not?

[allstarwannabe]

I believe they can use those uniforms next season since they have the waiver.

[Titanfan89]

I think the waiver allows a team to continue using their uniforms until their next uniform purchase, whenever that may be, or a time limit of 5 years or so, something like that. The point was not to have the schools have to go out and buy uniforms after they just got new ones. The point was to make them get compliant ones in the next cycle.

[Vikingfan1]

Thats good news then that they don't have to order new ones.