2010 Hancock County Tournament (Boys)

[Titanfan89]

Does anyone have a schedule for this yet? I believe the tournament is being held in Warsaw this year and I believe the seeds are as follows:

1. Illini West
2. West Hancock
3. Southeastern
4. West Prarie
5. Unity

[oldviking]

Will this tournament be like the previous tournaments , everyone plays each other?

[Vikingfan1]

Will this tournament be like the previous tournaments , everyone plays each other?

Yes this will be a round robin tournament and instead of everyone getting one home game, all games will be at Warsaw.

[oldviking]

WH should have a slight advantage playing 4 games on its home floor even though IW is seeded 1st.

[Vikingfan1]

WH should have a slight advantage playing 4 games on its home floor even though IW is seeded 1st.

Even with the home court advantage, WH is going to have to show up and play hard in every single game if they expect to win the county on its home floor. IW is legit for sure this year and they were a couple possessions away from playing for the championship last night without one of their better players even seeing the floor (Ser Whitaker). If WH can rebound well, hit threes, and stay out of foul trouble they will have a shot to win the county.

[oldviking]

Even with the home court advantage, WH is going to have to show up and play hard in every single game if they expect to win the county on its home floor. IW is legit for sure this year and they were a couple possessions away from playing for the championship last night without one of their better players even seeing the floor (Ser Whitaker). If WH can rebound well, hit threes, and stay out of foul trouble they will have a shot to win the county. You are right , everything will have to go well for WH to win. Is there a schedule out for the games yet?

[stackjack1]

You are right , everything will have to go well for WH to win. Is there a schedule out for the games yet?

Here is the tournament schedule:

Sat. Jan 9

6:00 Unity vs. IW
8:00 West Prairie vs. WH

Mon. Jan 11
6:00 SE vs. IW
8:00 Unity vs. WH

Wed. Jan 13
6:00 West Prairie vs. IW
8:00 Unity vs. SE

Fri. Jan 15
6:00 Unity vs. West Prairie
8:00 SE vs. WH

Sat. Jan 16
6:00 West Prairie vs. SE
8:00 WH vs. IW

This should be a good tournament all week in Warsaw. WH and IW coming off good showings in the Macomb Holiday Tournament. Southeastern seems to be playing better ball, and Unity and West Prairie have given teams some good games this season. Unity is improved and WP plays very hard.

[oldviking]

Thanks for the schedule Stackjack and I agree it should be a very good tourney with each team getting to play four games.

[oldviking]

IW defeated Western by just three on the Wildcats home floor 1/5 /10 , WH beat the same team by 13 on the same floor. I am begining to think that the Titans will have a real good chance to upset the Chargers. However , I don't know if Ser Whitaker played.

[broadcaster]

I like Illini West to win this tournament on the final night against West Hancock. I think the Titans might have more skilled players, but the size and physicality of Illini West will be too much. Jacob Smudlach will be the best player on the floor, and a match-up nightmare for the undersized Titans. I'll take Southeastern to finish 3rd, but could be a dark horse to crash either the Chargers or Titans party along the way.

[bballjunkie1]

I think IW WH should be a heck of a game. They should both be unbeaten by the final night.
As for SE, I just dont get what the new coach does with Bruenger. He is a hell of a player, but he has him do way to much.. He wears down during the game, and against CP all 3 games he had costly TOs late. Why dont you have someone else bring it up part of the game to give him a breather, and not have him guard the other teams best player until the fourth qtr. When you have no bench like SE, you cant expect him to be ballhandler, best defender and expect him to not wear down. I think the new coach has the kids playing hard and is doing a decent job, but he needs to save Bruenger a little bit during the game.

[broadcaster]

If you look at the Rosters from the Macomb Tourney , IW doesn't have that much of an advantage in height, where they do have an advantage is in depth. Since they just recently had a big problem with Western's defense , what will they do against WH's defense which is better? This team played tough defense on Pleasant Plains and didn't draw a foul until the last 47 seconds of the game. When the Titans are shooting well, they will be very tough to beat. I will take the Titans in a close game over the Chargers.

Just my opinion... I got to see both of these teams play out at Macomb, and I thought Illini West was just a little bit better at this point. After all, they were a basket or two from advancing to the final game, while West Hancock got bounced in the first round. Like I said, I think the Titans have more skilled players and better shooters, but the physicality of Illini West will prevent them from doing a lot of things. And Jacob Smudlach will be by far the best player on the floor and the difference maker late in the game. He and Mr. Bruenger from SE are on another level from any other player in the tournament.

[broadcaster]

And as far as the height comment.....on paper these two teams are similar. But the strength of Illini West's post players and the versitility of Smudlach being able to post and face up to the basket is gonna be a match-up nightmare for any team in that tournament.

[wolverine55]

It's the IW-WH game. I doubt Coach Pinkston will need message board comments to fire up his team.

[broadcaster]

I know Coach Pinkston very well, and I know he does not and has never read any message boards. I doubt any of his players do either.

Also, I haven't said anything on here that is false, or that would come off as "bulliten board material" Jacob Smudlach is physically stronger then any player on West Hancock. He is a match-up nightmare for any team he plays. And the Chargers, more of a football school, have very physical players. They are a more physical team then any team in this tournament, not just West Hancock. The Titans have smaller, more skilled players, good shooters, and good ball handlers.

[broadcaster]

Another thing that I think favors Illini West is their strength of schedule. They have two games against Macomb, nearly beating them the second time around. They also played through the winners bracket of that Holiday Tournament. Who is the best team West Hancock has played? Illini Central? Camp Point Central? I would assume those are their toughest two games, because they are the two losses right?

[broadcaster]

I also know Coach Pinkston very well and probably much longer than you. You can not know if he has ever read any message boards. To say that he has never read a message board doesn't make common sense. Also , I would guess that some of his players do read message boards. As far" Bulletin board material" goes, saying that no Titan player can match up with the Smudlach kid would sure make them want to try that much harder to get rebounds.

Its funny that you question my credibility like I am some teenager...... and I have heard the words out of Coach Pinkston's mouth that he does not read message boards....don't believe me?.. It was probably two weeks ago when I was sitting in his living room that message boards came up in some conversation, and believe me, he doesn't need quotes from us to get his team ready to play. He is the last person I know that would read, write, or care about anything dealing with internet bloggers. He doesn't even have a computer in his house. But I guess you already knew that?

And...

I did not say "no Titan player can match-up with Smudlach." I said he will be a match-up nightmare for ANY team in this tournament. That is not a knock on any of these teams, its a credit to a kid who has been an impact player since his freshman year, and has gotten bigger, stronger, faster, and better every single year. That my friend, is a credit to his hard work. Not bulletin board material knocking another basketball team.

[broadcaster]

Don't get me wrong, I would not be surprised if West Hancock beat Illini West in a close game. I do not think they are the favorite though.

[broadcaster]

Also it is spelled bulletin board not bulletin board.

:confused:

[guest07]

Its funny that you question my credibility like I am some teenager...... and I have heard the words out of Coach Pinkston's mouth that he does not read message boards....don't believe me?.. It was probably two weeks ago when I was sitting in his living room that message boards came up in some conversation, and believe me, he doesn't need quotes from us to get his team ready to play. He is the last person I know that would read, write, or care about anything dealing with internet bloggers. He doesn't even have a computer in his house. But I guess you already knew that?

And...

I did not say "no Titan player can match-up with Smudlach." I said he will be a match-up nightmare for ANY team in this tournament. That is not a knock on any of these teams, its a credit to a kid who has been an impact player since his freshman year, and has gotten bigger, stronger, faster, and better every single year. That my friend, is a credit to his hard work. Not bulliten board material knocking another basketball team.


I might argue that Logan Harris of Pleasant Plains was a better overall player than anybody in Hancock County, and West Hancock was able to handle his team quite handily. Also, Mac Schlicher is a matchup nightmare as well, and probably every bit the athlete that Schmuclach is (and I agree that Schmuclach is really good). I would disagree that Schmuclach has gotten faster and better every single year. I actually think he may have lost a little quickness as he's bulked up for football over the years.

And yes, Illini West advanced to the winner's bracket at WIU, but they played one of the weakest teams in the tournament in round 1, and probably should have lost in round 2 against Brown County. Anybody who saw the IW vs. Metamora game will tell you that Metamora never got off the bus for that game. They were awful, shooting 26% from the field.

So, Illini West very well may win this thing. I think it will be a battle. But I don't think that strength of schedule or who has the best player in the county has much to do with it. I think the team that shoots well wil win........ it's pretty much that simple.

[broadcaster]

We shall see on Saturday.....(weather permitting from what it looks like now..hope the games don't get push back) Hard to compare Schlicher to Smudlach at this point. Smudlach has had one of the most decorated careers in recent memory, similar to a Jared Summers at Quincy High or even Ben Kearse at WNC. The kid has started for that program on the varsity level since his freshman year, and is also a key player on that unbelievable Charger football team. I find it pretty hard to put Mr. Schlicher on that level as an athlete right now. I take Bruenger and Smudlach over any other player in Hancock County without any small doubt in my mind.

[guest07]

We shall see on Saturday.....(weather permitting from what it looks like now..hope the games don't get push back) Hard to compare Schlicher to Smudlach at this point. Smudlach has had one of the most decorated careers in recent memory, similar to a Jared Summers at Quincy High or even Ben Kearse at WNC. The kid has started for that program on the varsity level since his freshman year, and is also a key player on that unbelievable Charger football team. I find it pretty hard to put Mr. Schlicher on that level as an athlete right now. I take Bruenger and Smudlach over any other player in Hancock County without any small doubt in my mind.

I think Schlicher got something like 2nd in the state in the high jump in 8th grade. Yes, I know, 8th grade doesn't mean much, but my point is that he is a very good athlete. He's also one of the best golfers in the county.

Schmudlach has had a great career at IW. And I agree that he and Bruenger are probably at the top right now. I would expect Schlicher to move to the top when those 2 graduate.

One thing that annoys me is that for 3 years we've heard about the unbelievable group of athletes in the IW system (the current group of Juniros & Seniors). And yes, they've had some football success, but have they even won so much as a Regional in any other sport? I mean, these kids aren't Freshmen & Sophomores anymore. At some point, they're either going to live up to the hype or they're not.

[broadcaster]

From what I've seen from Schlicher, I would agree. I look for him and Seth Pinkston to be not only two of the best in the county, but the entire area next year. I think West Hancock is a year away from being a serious regional title threat.

I would have loved to see what this group could have done with a little more consistency in the coaching of their program. Coach Bryan leaving with this group on the horizon was pretty shocking to me. In no way am I saying their current coach doesn't do a good job, because they are obviously a solid team, but you're right..

I think being a football school, combined with coaching changes has held back their basketball expectations a bit. It doesn't help that you will see QND and Macomb in a regional. 5 years ago this team might have been a regional favorite, but now, thanks to the IHSA, the system is more of a joke IMO

[guest07]

From what I've seen from Schlicher, I would agree. I look for him and Seth Pinkston to be not only two of the best in the county, but the entire area next year. I think West Hancock is a year away from being a serious regional title threat.

I would have loved to see what this group could have done with a little more consistency in the coaching of their program. Coach Bryan leaving with this group on the horizon was pretty shocking to me. In no way am I saying their current coach doesn't do a good job, because they are obviously a solid team, but you're right..

I think being a football school, combined with coaching changes has held back their basketball expectations a bit. It doesn't help that you will see QND and Macomb in a regional. 5 years ago this team might have been a regional favorite, but now, thanks to the IHSA, the system is more of a joke IMO

All great points. Coach Bryan did a fantastic job with that program, and you can't help but wonder how dangerous this current group would be if they still had that type of stability in the basketball program.

I actually thought I would like the 4-class system, but I don't. The local allure of the Regionals isn't as intriguing when you're traveling an hour and a half to play a Regional game.

[oldviking]

I think Schlicher got something like 2nd in the state in the high jump in 8th grade. Yes, I know, 8th grade doesn't mean much, but my point is that he is a very good athlete. He's also one of the best golfers in the county.

Schmudlach has had a great career at IW. And I agree that he and Bruenger are probably at the top right now. I would expect Schlicher to move to the top when those 2 graduate.

One thing that annoys me is that for 3 years we've heard about the unbelievable group of athletes in the IW system (the current group of Juniros & Seniors). And yes, they've had some football success, but have they even won so much as a Regional in any other sport? I mean, these kids aren't Freshmen & Sophomores anymore. At some point, they're either going to live up to the hype or they're not. Good points 007 I also believe it may come down to how the game is called. If IW gets to be as physical as they are noted for then it could be a long night for the Titans. If WH gets hot shooting , especially from the three point area then they will be very hard to beat.

[broadcaster]

You know what the craziest thing about the 4 class system is..... according to the IHSA they made this system to allow more teams a chance at post season success, advancing to state, etc. From what I see all it has done around this part of the state is make things much harder for most teams.

First of all, even the REALLY GOOD 2A teams can throw their state title hopes out the window with Peoria Manual in the mix. Horrible for 2A basketball.

Secondly, look at how the Hancock County area regional was in the two class system...... Warsaw, Hamilton, West Prarie, Illini West, Nauvoo, etc. Four class system? Illini West, West Hancock, QND, Macomb. Back in the day, that would have been a stacked sectional, let alone a regional.

Its pretty sad to think that it would take one of the better teams in program history for a West Hancock or Illini West to even win a regional title.

[wolverine55]

I'm glad people are starting to side with me on the 4-Class system. I was ridiculed on the old KHQA board for being against it from the start, lol! Guest, I do think IW won a baseball regional in either 09 or 08.

[bballjunkie1]

Wow, just like the old KHQA boards.

First we rip for not spelling things correctly, then the person ripping, does not spell his own words correctly.
Second, I would ague that this group of IW athletes has had far more success in high school sports than WH has had in all sports. What has WH won the last 2 years in anything?
Third, lets all complain about the 4 class system all we want, but if you were to take QND out of your regional I think you would like your chances of advancing. That goes for IW and WH. Welcome to what Barry had to deal with for their so called glory years.

[oldviking]

Has anyone heard if the games in this tournament will be played on Saturday or are postponed to another date?

[PhotoGuy]

Wow, just like the old KHQA boards.

Not exactly, but your point is not entirely wrong either...

I've been watching this thread. IMHO it hasn't 'quite' gotten too far out of hand yet, but any time I see a poster using the 'you' word, assigning attributes to another poster, it gets my attention so I've been watching it today. It was, in fact, about one post away from a couple of private messages going out asking folks to play nice and share our toys here in the sandbox. Heck, it's 12:50 am right now and I have to be at work in 7 hours... and I am up checking this thread instead of sleeping.

This is a sports message board. People have strong opinions about teams and communities... and disagreement is going to happen. No question about it. We just need to keep that disagreement pointed in a way as to not bash other board members.

Attacks can get very petty, and very personal, very quickly (yes, that is three "very" statements in a row, my journalism teacher would flunk me for this statement)... and the word "you" is the magic word that tends to bring that about.

I would prefer that people not use that word, but I am going to cut people who have been good net citizens since we started a bit of slack and let them agree to disagree... if it becomes a "regular" thing with a poster, then we are going to have an issue.

Please note I said a BIT of slack.

The KHQA boards often developed into complete flame wars and nothing was done about it.

I assure everyone that won't happen here more than once with a poster, because people who flame others are gonna be shown the door whether they like it or not.

If I see a comment I really don't care for, I know how to use the edit button on a post... and I know how to let people know about it.

People could make me happy by not using the "you" word... if they were in a mood to make me happy and all.

Now... about the four class system...

Here's my personal opinion. I am from Pittsfield, and we won umpteen regionals in a row... I don't know the exact number, but at one point it was like we had lost one over the last 25 years. We weren't that good... it was simply the fact that we were playing Griggsville, Perry, West Pike, East Pike, Barry... schools that were 1/10th our size. Heck, what did Perry HS have in it, 60 kids? East Pike was about the same, West Pike had 100... how on earth were they going to compete against us? The answer is they weren't. They were going to get rolled.

Yes, we had some good teams, but we were also one of the larger "small" schools and we saw the same larger "small" schools in the sectional, year after year.

Does it hurt some schools? Yes. Does it help some? Again, yes.

Like anything, there's good and bad both.

[Titanfan89]

I think it hurts WH having to play SE and IW on back to back nights to finish the tournament. WH isn't that deep and that probably is going to play a big factor come late in the IW game if it is a game at that point.

[guest07]

I think it hurts WH having to play SE and IW on back to back nights to finish the tournament. WH isn't that deep and that probably is going to play a big factor come late in the IW game if it is a game at that point.

Good point. Especially if Kyle Jenkins isn't ready to play (has anybody heard an update on him?).

Without Jenkins, I think their bench is only about 4-deep.

[Vikingfan1]

Should be a great tournament which is setup for WH and IW to meet in the championship game if both teams take care of business during the week. I am not sure what to make of IW only beating Western by 3 on the road when WH already has wins over them by 12, 13, and 15 points. Having Kyle Jenkins possibly out of the lineup would be a killer but Austin Boyer I believe will step up and play very well. Schmudlach and Bruenger may be ahead of Schicler, but it is not by much at all. Like guest said, I think Schmudlach has lost a step or two through the years from football. I think if their is an all-tourney team for county you can pretty much book it that these 3 will already be on it. Even when WH plays IW the physical play of IW shouldn't be much of a factor for Schicler.

The two losses are pretty much throw away games IMO. Camp Point Central was the first game of the year, without their head coach, without Schicler for the overtimes and WH still nearly beat them. Illini Central loss came with a 10 day lay off which just kills you right from the beginning, not to mention it was a 9am game. I don't know who will win this tournament but I think you wil see a lot of good games between all 5 teams.

[illinois sports schwab]

And yes, they've had some football success, but have they even won so much as a Regional in any other sport? I mean, these kids aren't Freshmen & Sophomores anymore. At some point, they're either going to live up to the hype or they're not.

Actually last season they made it to sectionals in baseball, losing to Plains. They were a very good team.

[Vikingfan1]

Another thing that I think favors Illini West is their strength of schedule. They have two games against Macomb, nearly beating them the second time around. They also played through the winners bracket of that Holiday Tournament. Who is the best team West Hancock has played? Illini Central? Camp Point Central? I would assume those are their toughest two games, because they are the two losses right?

Personally I think Pleasant Plains is the toughest team WH has played so far this season, and they beat them. I think Plains would be able to handle Camp Point Central and Illini Central rather easily. In fact, if Plains had any sort of a perimeter game, they probably could have made a deep run in the tournament again.

[oldviking]

Scores? IWvs Unity ? WP vs WH? 1/9/10

[wolverine55]

I did not attend, but it sounds like WP played very well and pushed WH. WH won 47-35, but it was only 40-35 and WP had a good look at a three that would have cut the lead to two with two minutes to go. Have not received a report on IW-Unity yet.

[wolverine55]

The only report I got on IW-Unity was a text saying "IW won by 20something."

[Titanfan89]

1st Day Results

Illini West 55
Unity 31

Final

West Hancock 47
West Prairie 35

Final

In the IW, Unity game, IW defense was very, very good and IW was hitting outside shots and running their offense really well, get easy layups. Jacob Schmud had I think 20. IW looked like they hadn't missed a beat with all the weather happenings the past couple of days. Unity couldn't get much anything going and was turning the ball over.

In the battle of the bald headed coaching staffs, West Prairie was giving West Hancock all they could handle. West Prairie played primarily a 3-2 zone the entire game and really slowed the pace. WH was running offense but only getting outside shots for the most part, knocking a few down but not lights out. West Prairie was hitting some outside shots and what was killing WH was it seemed every out of bounds play under the WP basket, WP was getting layup after layup and WH couldn't figure out what they were doing. Game got close in the 4th and thought Mac Sclicher was hurt seriously. He got a steal and was going in for a wide open layup and either misstepped of his left foot or did something weird to his knee and I thought it was an ACL. He came out and limped around but came back in to finish. I still don't know what he did but thought that was it almost for him this year. WH also looked very winded, going only 2 deep on the bench. Reno was lets just say a little "frustrated" with the happenings tonight. If WH plays like that against SE and IW, results not going to be good.

[wolverine55]

Not meaning to take anything away from the WP kids and coaches, but for whatever reason, the County Tournament has been WNC/WHs worst week of the season for three or four years now. Let's hope this is a bad game as opposed to a bad week!!

[Titanfan89]

I really like the tall kid from WP. He had 12 I think tonight and he killed WH in the post and on the inbounds plays. I think WP needs to run more offense through the kid.

West Hancock didn't look good at all except I thought the did a decent job rebounding for once.

[wolverine55]

Unfortunately, rebounding is WP's bugaboo as well, so may have to take that one with a grain of salt, lol!

[guest07]

WH didn't play well, but West Prairie did a lot of things right tonight. And as Kellen's teams always do, they played hard for 32 minutes. WH looked pretty sluggish after not playing for 10 days, but Reno made it clear in the post-game interview that he's tired of that excuse. As he pointed out, people wanted to use that excuse at the WIU tournament, but Illini Central had to play a 9 o'clock game also. And West Prairie could have just as easily come out sluggish tonight after not playing much, but they came ready to play. Reno didn't want to hear those excuses. You've got to come out ready to play every night.

I think WH only made 10 of 20 free throws tonight.

[guest07]

IW looked terrific in the first quarter tonight (up 20-3), and then Unity played right with them for the next 3 quarters. IW still looked a little disoriented at times on offense. That said, I think they're still the team to beat in this tournament.

[Titanfan89]

The only knock I would have on IW is their pressure and defense got them into foul trouble and sent Unity to the line often, and that is why I think Unity hung with them. Unity missed a lot of free throws as well.

[guest07]

The only knock I would have on IW is their pressure and defense got them into foul trouble and sent Unity to the line often, and that is why I think Unity hung with them. Unity missed a lot of free throws as well.

Unity missed a truckload of free throws and a truckload of layups.

[Titanfan89]

I guess West Prairie is leaving the tournament after this year and I wonder who they are going to find to replace them.

[wolverine55]

Yeah, the conference WP is joing (Lincold Trail, maybe?) has a conference tournament, so that will be their third commitment as far as that goes.

[oldviking]

I guess West Prairie is leaving the tournament after this year and I wonder who they are going to find to replace them. They will probably be looking for a school near by that isn't already committed to a tourney. Maybe they could get Western or Ft. Madison.

[Titanfan89]

I heard an interview with the IW head coach yesterday on WCAZ where either he said or the radio guys said that they looked into having some Iowa schools join but the said that Iowa has some weird rules about not playing on wednesdays or back to back games or saturday games or something that would prevent Iowa teams from getting into the tournament. It sounded weird but according to them it seems like there is a barrier for Iowa teams getting into the tournament unless something changes with the tournament.

[wolverine55]

I don't think Western would be a good fit either. That's a long drive to be making four times in a weeks span.

[Titanfan89]

I think it is going to be hard to find additional teams to come in because most teams are probably already committed to their allotment of tournaments unless they would want to break away from what they are in. I don't know if most teams would find the tournament attractive enough to come play in.

[Vikingfan1]

Not meaning to take anything away from the WP kids and coaches, but for whatever reason, the County Tournament has been WNC/WHs worst week of the season for three or four years now. Let's hope this is a bad game as opposed to a bad week!!

Good point Wolverine. WNC did win it in 2007 at Nauvoo but since then they haven't even came close to winning the tournament and have been flat out embarrassed in some games. Hope they pick it up every game from now on. West Prairie is a dangerous team and if they play like they did against WH (both times they've played them), they will compete with the other teams in this tournament very well.

[oldviking]

I don't think Western would be a good fit either. That's a long drive to be making four times in a weeks span. Doesn't the home location still change each year? Maybe they could let each school have one game at home like they did before. This would be a tourney that Western could compete in quite well in. Maybe the Iowa private schools would be interested and wouldn't have the same restrictions as Iowa public schools. Maybe some Missouri schools would be interested. It might require some creative thinking but hopefully this Tourney will continue. JMO

[wolverine55]

Location does change, but having Western host a tourney called the Hancock County Tournament would be awkward, at best. Just to be clear, Western probably does fit in talent-wise, I just don't think they could make the commitment geographically.

[bballjunkie1]

Location does change, but having Western host a tourney called the Hancock County Tournament would be awkward, at best. Just to be clear, Western probably does fit in talent-wise, I just don't think they could make the commitment geographically.

From what I have watched, this will be westerns last year of good basketball for a few years. they have a nice Freshman class and some talent in the jr high, but not the kind of talent that would have the high school coach drooling over.

[tiredoldman]

Well good news for west hancock, kyle jenkins will return this week his mother said and then today she called and said her mother and kyle's grandmother passed away this afternoon, visitation is wednesday she thought and funeral thursday. His grandmother would of wanted him to play, she came to every game since second grade until she got sick. Lets all say a pray for the family, they will need it. He was real closed to her and will take it hard.

[guest07]

Well good news for west hancock, kyle jenkins will return this week his mother said and then today she called and said her mother and kyle's grandmother passed away this afternoon, visitation is wednesday she thought and funeral thursday. His grandmother would of wanted him to play, she came to every game since second grade until she got sick. Lets all say a pray for the family, they will need it. He was real closed to her and will take it hard.

Wow........what a tough couple of weeks for Kyle. Good kid........... I'll add a prayer for him.

Thanks for posting this, tiredoldman.

[oldviking]

Thanks for the post Tiredoldman, God be with you and yours, Kyle Jenkins

[oldviking]

Location does change, but having Western host a tourney called the Hancock County Tournament would be awkward, at best. Just to be clear, Western probably does fit in talent-wise, I just don't think they could make the commitment geographically. Yes , it would be awkward for it to be held outside of the home county and geographically you are definitely correct because the Winchester Tournament is much closer for the Wildcats and the roads are very good. Since it is now called the Hancock Invitational Tournament they can still invite teams from other counties like Unity . The next closest team would be the Central Panthers ,( if they would be agreeable and available.) They could also just end the Hancock Invit. Co. Tourney at 90 years and have a West Central Conference Tournament with all the North and South Conference teams involved.

[allstarwannabe]

Central will be joining the Winchester Tournament next year.

[Titanfan89]

Sorry to hear that about Kyle. He looked in good shape at the game and I couldn't see any noticable effects from his injury. Titan nation will mourn the loss with Kyle and are praying for him.

[Vikingfan1]

Scores from 1/11/2010

Southeastern 36
IW 25

Halftime

From what I heard Bruenger has been tearing IW up as SE held a 23-8 lead at the end of 1.

[bballjunkie1]

Scores from 1/11/2010

Southeastern 36
IW 25

Halftime

From what I heard Bruenger has been tearing IW up as SE held a 23-8 lead at the end of 1.

Any update, i look for him to wear down the second half

[Vikingfan1]

Any update, i look for him to wear down the second half

Southeastern 48
IW 37

End of 3rd.

[Titanfan89]

Wonder what SE is doing defensively and what IW is doing offensively. IW pressure must not be effective and sounds like Bruenger is having a Bruenger game.

[Vikingfan1]

Southeastern 48
IW 44

4:19 to go in game

[Titanfan89]

SE yet to score in the 4th quarter.

[bballjunkie1]

That is what Bruenger has done to CP all three times, then finally wearing out down the stretch. I would like to see SE win this one.

[Titanfan89]

can listen online at www.wcazam990.com

[Vikingfan1]

Southeastern 48
IW 47

[Titanfan89]

48-47, getting real interesting now.

[Titanfan89]

Grosnic nails a huge 3.

[Titanfan89]

57-51 SE with 40 seconds left to play. Bruenger has about 25 but has only hit half his free throws.

[Titanfan89]

Schmud nails a 3 and IW fouls. 28 seconds left.

[Titanfan89]

11 seconds left as Carson of IW hits a 3. SE by 3 I believe. SE has possession. IW looks to foul.

[Titanfan89]

SE pulls off the upset of the #1 seed.

Southeastern 62
Illini West 60

Final

SE - 1-0 record in tournament
IW - 1-1 record in tournament

[Vikingfan1]

SE pulls off the upset of the #1 seed.

Southeastern 62
Illini West 60

Final

SE - 1-0 record in tournament
IW - 1-1 record in tournament

This makes the rest of the tournament very interesting.

[Titanfan89]

Bruenger with 32 tonight. Good thing SE built a lead in the first half as they started the 4th quarter with a drought.

I hope this is the high point for SE in the tournament and hope WH can clip them friday. Unfortunately, that probably makes IW ****ed for the rest of the tournament.

[bballjunkie1]

Bruenger with 32 tonight. Good thing SE built a lead in the first half as they started the 4th quarter with a drought.

I hope this is the high point for SE in the tournament and hope WH can clip them friday. Unfortunately, that probably makes IW ****ed for the rest of the tournament.

IW will have to win out, and hope that WH beats SE. What would be the tie breaker if all have one lose.

[Titanfan89]

Probably head to head then probably points allowed or defensive average, one of the two.

[Titanfan89]

Somebody at the games is saying WH is going to have to use girls uniforms because the WH boys uniforms are illegal, I guess the stripe is too long or wide. They have been playing with these uniforms for a year and a half. WTF?

[stackjack1]

I know something happened at the State Tournament last year with a Chicago team in the title game I believe where the game started out with a technical call. It may have been the final 4 not quite sure. It is something to do with under the arm of the jersey. I know some of the uniforms in the area are in question right now. The stripe under the arm has to be 1 inch long I believe.

[Titanfan89]

Ya that was in the state tournament, and that team lost by I think 2,3, or 4 in overtime I think.

[Titanfan89]

Kyle Jenkins is back playing tonight.

[stackjack1]

Real interesting that this is all coming up now. Just like the basketball situation. The IHSA did not announce this change and I know that schools ordered new Wilson basketballs then had to get the Baden basketballs. Did they announce this change with the uniforms?

[Titanfan89]

Radio said IW girls received technical in game recently against Rushville for having illegal uniforms.

Radio said WH must have received a letter or something saying that if they were the uniforms they would receive a technical foul. I don't know what uniforms they are using, unless they are old warsaw ones or something. I hate the IHSA, how stupid. They have wore these for a year and a half, and now are expected to go out and get different uniforms? IHSA = STUPID

[Vikingfan1]

West Hancock owns an early 7-0 lead on Unity.

[stackjack1]

I heard that the IHSA was upset with this area for not enfocing the uniform rule and there was a meeting of some sort last week.

[Titanfan89]

Unity leading WH 17-12 late in second quarter. WH not hitting shots after having early lead.

[Titanfan89]

Unity leads WH 23-18 at the half. I don't know if it is the new uniforms or what but WH is playing like garbage. Runge is hitting shots but others arent and Unity is playing pretty good. WH better get it together in the 2nd half or it will be 2 upsets in the tournament tonight.

[Titanfan89]

West Hancock 49
Unity 43

Final

This was a game WH probably should have lost. After jumping out to an early 8 point lead, Unity pretty much controlled the remainder of the game until WH did just enough in the fourth quarter to pull out a W. WH offense not good and shooting wasn't that good tonight. But, a w is a w. Now interested to see what is going to happen with "uniform gate" and whether new uniforms are required.

[Vikingfan1]

WH squeaks by Unity 49-43 after trailing most of the game. Runge finished with 19 points, Schilcher around 14 or 16 points. In fact, these were the only two that scored until the 3rd quarter I believe until Diveney got going. Didn't sound pretty but WH moves to 2-0 in the tournament and will take on SE Friday night.

[Titanfan89]

I think WH really needs these practice days this week as their last two performances have not been that good. Time for Reno to work his magic, and hope he finds a seamstress somewhere, or else he will have to make the uniforms and make them compliant.

[Vikingfan1]

I think WH really needs these practice days this week as their last two performances have not been that good. Time for Reno to work his magic, and hope he finds a seamstress somewhere, or else he will have to make the uniforms and make them compliant.

If WH doesn't step up and play better they will have no chance against SE and IW.

[Titanfan89]

Nope, they will be blown out by 15+ each of those games if they play like they have so far. What is this teams bugaboo with this tournament, after Warsaw and Nauvoo have had success in the past in this thing.

[Titanfan89]

Updated standings after 2 days of the tournament.

West Hancock: 2-0 (Victories over West Prairie, Unity)
Southeastern: 1-0 (Victory over Illini West)
Illini West: 1-1 (Victory over Unity, loss against Southeastern)
West Prairie: 0-1 (Loss against West Hancock)
Unity: 0-2 (Losses against Illini West, West Hancock)

[bballjunkie1]

Maybe we should be giving Unity a little bit more credit. They have beat some decent teams this year and have given a fit to almost every team they have played. Unity has some talent and the kids play hard all the time. Coach Caruthers lets his kids play a carefree style. That kind of style can allow them to hang with the good teams. This team is also very streaky, and the kids go for a lot of steals which can cause you to hurry a lot of shots. Now I am not saying they are better than WH, but maybe we should give Unity some credit for WHs struggles.

[Vikingfan1]

Maybe we should be giving Unity a little bit more credit. They have beat some decent teams this year and have given a fit to almost every team they have played. Unity has some talent and the kids play hard all the time. Coach Caruthers lets his kids play a carefree style. That kind of style can allow them to hang with the good teams. This team is also very streaky, and the kids go for a lot of steals which can cause you to hurry a lot of shots. Now I am not saying they are better than WH, but maybe we should give Unity some credit for WHs struggles.

You are probably right with all of your comments and WH only beat Unity by 7 the other time they have faced off early in the year at the Suns Classic. WH needs some balanced scoring though, it can't be just Schicler and Runge like it seeme to be most of the game tonight. Unity does play very hard and I possibly right now WH just thinks they can walk right through some of these teams when instead they must come out and work hard otherwise these close wins are going to start turning into losses.

[guest07]

Radio said IW girls received technical in game recently against Rushville for having illegal uniforms.

Radio said WH must have received a letter or something saying that if they were the uniforms they would receive a technical foul. I don't know what uniforms they are using, unless they are old warsaw ones or something. I hate the IHSA, how stupid. They have wore these for a year and a half, and now are expected to go out and get different uniforms? IHSA = STUPID

One of the officials pointed it out to them before the game, so they scrambled to change uniforms. Absolutely ridiculous rule. WH is apparently going to have to trash the old uniforms, and spend money on new ones. Can people not see how absurd this is?

Shots weren't falling for WH tonight, and IW looked like they had a terrific game plan on offense. Honestly, Unity looked like the better team tonight, and WH is fortunate to get out with a win.

[Titanfan89]

I saw Unity against IW on saturday and they were awful. They must have done a 180 tonight, but it says something when you can't play a good game and still pull out a W. If it would have been IW or SE that WH played tonight they probably would have been embarrased.

[Titanfan89]

And I want to know what specifically is wrong with the uniforms that they can play for a year and a half with and not have any problems and then all of a sudden something is SSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong that they can't play with them unless they want a technical foul. The stupid IHSA should have imposed uniform regulations on teams who are getting new uniforms, not teams that already have ones in use. If you are going to use a new uniform, you should have to submit the specs to the IHSA for approval and not make teams who have existing uniforms have to go out and get new ones.

I really do hate the IHSA now.

[guest07]

I saw Unity against IW on saturday and they were awful. They must have done a 180 tonight, but it says something when you can't play a good game and still pull out a W. If it would have been IW or SE that WH played tonight they probably would have been embarrased.

I wouldn't say they're awful. IW came out like gangbusters and took an early 20-3 lead after 1 quarter. But for the last 3 quarters, Unity pretty much played them even-up. Southeastern only beat them by 14 last week, and only by 3 earlier this year. Liberty only beat them by 3. Central only beat them by 13. And they actually have a win over a very good Payson team this year.

[sportsguy44]

really wild night at the tournament...by the way Titanfan thanks for listening to WCAZ! You have to give credit to Sean Grosnic, he took a tough shot and buried it to put Southeastern back up by 3. Shot of the game IMO. That was a clutch performance! Southeastern got some great production from all their kids, Jefferson and Smith scored enough to keep IW honest and Kerker had a ton of rebounds. This uniform thing is really weird. I didn't know about it until I checked the lineups before the game. glad I know the kids by face not number. You would think the IHSa would notify teams before they enforced it.

By the way, if you have any comments or suggestions on WCAZ's coverage, you can message me here!

[oldviking]

The Unity game is over, uniforms don't really matter and I think the Titans can keep winning. So far WH has done a good job defending SE's Bruenger in their two previous games this year, limiting him to 16 and 18 points. SE didn't stop Runge or Schlicher both games. WH is still playing defense pretty well. If WH starts shooting well again they will be tough for the Suns to beat.

[Vikingfan1]

Tournament kicks off again today with I believe Southeastern taking on Unity and IW playing West Prairie.

[Titanfan89]

Both are pretty intriguing games. Can Unity knock off SE? Certainly, but SE is hot after that victory over IW. Will IW come out tonight a little upset and hand it to WP or will WP ride the momentum from playing well on saturday into this game with IW? Lots of intrigue tonight or both will be blowouts. Flip a coin.

[Vikingfan1]

IW defeats West Prairie around 66-47. It was just a four point game after the first quarter but second and third quarters killed West Prairie. Unity tanking it to Southeastern early, 21-13.

[Vikingfan1]

After trailing 19-9, Southeastern finishes on a big run to tie the game at 21 at halftime.

[guest07]

IW defeats West Prairie around 66-47. It was just a four point game after the first quarter but second and third quarters killed West Prairie.


Much better than last time, when IW beat West Prairie by 55.

[guest07]

Unity leads Southeastern 34-27 after 3 quarters.

This tournament has been goofy!

[guest07]

Southeastern comes back for the win, 45-41.

[wolverine55]

I have a lot respect for Keith Carothers. I was really hoping they could pull that off!!

[guest07]

I have a lot respect for Keith Carothers. I was really hoping they could pull that off!!

Me too!

This has been a good tournament for the Unity Mustangs.

[Titanfan89]

Wow, Unity should be 2-1 in this tournament with a possible chance of winning it if they could just close out games. They had this one and let it go.

[CHUCK26]

Unity just hasn't learned how to win close games yet. They are gaining that experience and are on their way up. As I have said before, it wasn't but just a year or 2 ago that Unity basketball was the laughing stock of the area, and now they are competing. Keith Carothers has coached under some good coaches and is now puting that knowledge into action with his team.

[Vikingfan1]

What are everyones predictions heading into friday? Can WH knock off SE for the 3rd time this year or will SE seek revenge and seal up the county tournament with a win? WH better come out and play much better then they did against WP and Unity or they will get buried early.

[oldviking]

I think WH's defense will be fine but they really need to pick up on their shooting. No team wants to lose on their home floor. I will take WH in a very close game Friday.

[Vikingfan1]

Hancock Co tournament resumes tonight as West Prairie takes on Unity and in the night cap West Hancock looks to stay perfect against Southeasten. Southeatern with a win would claim the county championship regardless if they lose on Saturday against West Prairie because of beating WH and IW head to head. If WH beats SE but lose to IW, then IW would claim the championship for the second straight year. Any predictions for tonight?

[guest07]

Hancock Co tournament resumes tonight as West Prairie takes on Unity and in the night cap West Hancock looks to stay perfect against Southeasten. Southeatern with a win would claim the county championship regardless if they lose on Saturday against West Prairie because of beating WH and IW head to head. If WH beats SE but lose to IW, then IW would claim the championship for the second straight year. Any predictions for tonight?

How would IW win the championship? What's the tiebreaker?

[Vikingfan1]

How would IW win the championship? What's the tiebreaker?

Im not sure what they would do it on whether it would be least points given up or free throw percentage or what.

[broadcaster]

I think tonight will boil down to how well the Titans shoot from the outside. Southeastern has been sporting a 3-2 zone throughout this tournament, and without a great inside presence, it will fall on the shoulders of Runge and co. from the 3 point line. I think Regan Bruenger will get his, but can someone else for the Suns produce?

I like West Hancock in about a 10 point game. More balanced scoring and defense will prevail for the Titans. Should be a good one.

[Titanfan89]

West Hancock defeats Southeastern tonight by a score of I think 57 to 38. WH had Southeastern frustrated all night and Regan Bruenger eventually fouled out with 3 or 4 mintues to play. WH came out of the gates on fire and had a double digit lead in the first quarter before SE made a little run to close it up to start the second. The game was a 7 point game at the half and WH broke it open in the second and didnt let SE back into the game. I think WH had 4 players in double figures and Bruenger had maybe 16 or 18, and got little help from anyone else. Best game WH has played all year probably.

This sets up a potentially crazy championship scenario tomorrow. If WH beats IW, they win the championship. If IW beats WH, there will be a 3 way tie between WH, SE, and IW, and I still dont know what the tie breaker is (probably points allowed).

Unity also beat WP tonight by a couple.

[Vikingfan1]

West Hancock defeats Southeastern tonight by a score of I think 57 to 38. WH had Southeastern frustrated all night and Regan Bruenger eventually fouled out with 3 or 4 mintues to play. WH came out of the gates on fire and had a double digit lead in the first quarter before SE made a little run to close it up to start the second. The game was a 7 point game at the half and WH broke it open in the second and didnt let SE back into the game. I think WH had 4 players in double figures and Bruenger had maybe 16 or 18, and got little help from anyone else. Best game WH has played all year probably.

This sets up a potentially crazy championship scenario tomorrow. If WH beats IW, they win the championship. If IW beats WH, there will be a 3 way tie between WH, SE, and IW, and I still dont know what the tie breaker is (probably points allowed).

Unity also beat WP tonight by a couple.

I heard Runge, Pinkston, Schicler, and Diveney were all in double figures. Shot the ball very well tonight and played very good defense overall. Bruenger had 14 at the half but couldn't have finished with more then maybe 16 or 18 like you said because WH held SE to just 12 second half points and 22 throughout the final 3 quarters of the game.

[Titanfan89]

Oh, I forgot, the refs were decent in the WH, SE game but had no spines. Reno got his first technical of the year and the WH bench also received a T. If you see Reno at a game, you know he will chirp at the officials a little but hardly ever gets irate or anything. He got a T for what many people thought wasnt much complaining or yelling or whatever. I was laughing telling someone that it is weird to see Reno get a T in a season before Schuster who coaches the girls gets one.

[Titanfan89]

Ok, here is what I have for updated scores except for the Unity, WP game tonight (cant remember what it was)

West Hancock 47
West Prairie 35

Illini West 55
Unity 31

Southeastern 62
Illini West 60

Unity 65
West Prairie 62

West Hancock 49
Unity 43

Illni West 66
West Prairie 47

Southeastern 45
Unity 41

West Hancock 57
SE 38


This is what I have between SE, IW, and WH for points allowed unless by arithmetic is bad (which it probably is)

SE 158
WH 116
IW 140

[Vikingfan1]

West Hancock should be 116 allowed, not 119. 138 for IW and SE is correct.

[guest07]

So if points allowed is the tiebreaker, IW would have to beat West Hancock by 22. Correct?

[Titanfan89]

Your right, it is 116, I changed it, so WH would have to stay within what, 23 or 24 of IW and hope WP can score some points against SE.

[Vikingfan1]

Your right, it is 116, I changed it, so WH would have to stay within what, 24 of IW and hope WP can score some points against SE.

Hopefully WH wins and doesn't have to worry about it anyway haha. If they can come out and play like they did tonight they'll have a great shot to win but it is going to be very tough.

[Titanfan89]

It was weird to see WH play like garbage the first two games of the tournament and then play their best game of the season. They can in with a good game plan tonight and also rebounded the ball the best they have all season. Everything was clicking tonight and you could see the frustration in Bruenger towards the end of the game before he fouled out.

[Titanfan89]

I updated the unity, wp score now.

Records in tournament are:
West Hancock 3-0
Southeastern 2-1
Illni West 2-1
Unity 1-3
West Prairie 0-3

[oldviking]

I see two constant things for WH , their defense has remained very strong and lately they still win even when they go cold shooting . Also no team that they have played this year has blown them out. However, just like IW , they have played in streaks. I will take WH in a close game but IW is a very dangerous and talented team.

[Vikingfan1]

I see two constant things for WH , their defense has remained very strong and lately they still win even when they go cold shooting . Also no team that they have played this year has blown them out. However, just like IW , they have played in streaks. I will take WH in a close game but IW is a very dangerous and talented team.

Whether WH shoots like they did last night or not, they just have to come out and play the same way they did against SE and have that intentsity throughout the entire game on both ends of the floor and they should be fine.

[Titanfan89]

I have a feeling intensity isn't going to be a problem tonight. If the boys can't get up to play for this one, there is no hope.

[Titanfan89]

Hahaha, according to WGEM, they have declared WH the winner of the county tournament. Oops

[Vikingfan1]

Hahaha, according to WGEM, they have declared WH the winner of the county tournament. Oops

Haha thats funny.

[broadcaster]

Should be a very good game tonight. West Hancock comes in on a big winning streak (not sure what the number is up to right now, but I think it is pretty high) I originally picked Illini West to win this tournament, based on this game, but recent play by both of these teams have made that pick a little more shaky.

I'm very surprised that the Chargers weren't able to take care of business against the X-Factor team Southeastern. On the other hand, West Hancock rolled the Suns last night by 20, and look like they are clicking on all cylinders. Tonight will be a battle of strengths.

The Chargers like to press, and they pick up a lot of points on steals and turnovers in the transition game. The Titans have very crafty guards, and I don't look for the press to bother them much. Advantage Titans.

The Titans are more of a finess team this season, while Illini West is a physical team.....however they are a perimeter oriented physical team. Advantage push.

I still think Jacob Smudlach is the best player on the floor. The Mac Schlicher and Ryan Runge combo is very good and I like them to play big tonight. Advantage Titans.

The battle of point guards between Carson and Pinkston should be a very good battle as well. Advantage push.

All of this being said, I'm going to take the hot team, playing at home tonight and reverse my pick (which I rarely do) and take the Titans to come out on top.

42-35 Titans win a defensive battle and claim the Hancock County title at home.

[Titanfan89]

Does anyone know for sure yet what the tiebreaker is? I am assuming it is points allowed but am not for sure.

[broadcaster]

Southeastern defeats West Prarie by 2 in the first game tonight. From what I have heard, Illini West must beat West Hancock by 23 points tonight or the Titans will win the tournament.

[bballjunkie1]

On a side score, Camp Point continues to roll with 30 point win over Freeport Aquin.

[broadcaster]

Sounds like Illini West has just beaten West Hancock 42-36 to cap the tournament. However, West Hancock will still walks away with 1st place due to winning the 3 way tiebreaker, which I am assuming was points allowed. Congrats to both teams.

[Titanfan89]

Great game between West Hancock and Illini West. Had a playoff atmosphere to it. Score after the 1st quarter was 5-4 as this was a defensive slugfest from the start. Congrats to Illini West for winning the game. They made more plays and hit more shots that West Hancock and deserved to win the game, no excuses. I'm not using this as an excuse but by the time the game was over, you could tell the WH players were gassed from two straight days of hard basketball. West Hancock does win the tournament title as they did win the tiebreaker, which was decided at the seeding meeting the coaches had (and it was points allowed).

All tourney team included:
Regan Bruenger (Most Valuable Player), SE
Cody Carson, IW
Jacob Schmudlach, IW
Ryan Runge, WH
Mac Schlicher, WH
Kody Bowman, Unity

[Vikingfan1]

Congrats to both teams and I am very proud of how West Hancock played despite shooting so poorly. They did get down 25-14 in the 3rd quarter but rallied to close the gap 27-21 going into the fourth. In the 4th IW just made the plays and free throws to win the game, hats off to them. WH had several chances to cut the lead down to two or three points but just couldn't hit the big shot. Runge only had 2 freethrows as IW played great defense on him. Can't wait for the rematch in Carthage later on this year. WH falls to 13-3 and IW improves to 10-4 I believe.

[Titanfan89]

I don't know if I expected such good IW defense tonight but they sure came to play. IW is just a darned good team when they decide to show up and play, and you never know what you will get from them if they don't. I don't think they hit one outside shot tonight.

[flyinhigh25]

how good was the Holtsclaw kids dunk?

[Titanfan89]

Unless I missed something, I didn't see one.

[oldviking]

Congrats to IW on a tough hard fought game. I was just wondering, When did Ryan Runge foul out in the game?

[Vikingfan1]

how good was the Holtsclaw kids dunk?

There was no dunks. Couple good blocks though by Schicler and Diveney. Those boys can really get up in the air.

[Titanfan89]

Congrats to IW on a tough hard fought game. I was just wondering, When did Ryan Runge foul out in the game?

It was pretty late when WH had to foul to stop the clock. I would say under a minute.

[Titanfan89]

There was no dunks. Couple good blocks though by Schicler and Diveney. Those boys can really get up in the air.

And a good one by Jenkins in the first half I believe. I haven't see when block shots like that all season. They may not be that tall but they can get up there.

[Titanfan89]

Interesting that there was no coverage of this tournament by WGEM or the Quincy Herald Whig on line. I havent seen the print edition but no coverage on line about the last day of the tournament or who was decided as champion. But, WGEM thought it was over yesterday I think.

[wolverine55]

We get a couple rematches right away. Unity comes back up to Hancock County (Hamilton this time) to play WH Tuesday and I believe SE and WP play Tuesday night as well.

[stackjack1]

I thought this tournament was very well played and all the teams involved played well. Mendon and West Prairie competed very well with the top 3 teams in the tournament. The Illini West/West Hancock game to end the tournament was very intense and well played. I really enjoyed watching some of these games and Warsaw was a good host for the tournament. It is amazing to me the WP only has 4 wins on the season with how close they were in this tournament. 3 of their 4 games were close.

[Vikingfan1]

Just wanted to say congrats to Coach Pinkston and the WH Titans on the title victory. I believe this was Coach Pinkstons 6th Hancock Co tournament win, and first of the West Hancock program. Other titles were in 1998, 2000, 2003, and 2006 at Nauvoo and 2007 with WNC.

[Titanfan89]

I am still wondering who they are going to get next year to fill the WP void.